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A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style.
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RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style.
(March 27, 2014 at 3:54 am)tor Wrote: Gigantic fail.
Here cosmologist Sean Carroll OBLITERATES argument of fine tuning.



While I would agree, I think the length of the video is intimidating, so I'll provide my own, biased view summarizing the contents.

Overall it is an excellent debate. The first 24 minutes of the video are taken up by a screen saver (10 minutes), followed by 14 minutes of introduction. Once the debate begins, things go relatively briskly, with each giving a 20 minute opening followed by a 12 minute rebuttal, then 5 minutes of intermission, then closing statements, then Q&A.

Craig opens with a discussion of Kalam's cosmological argument, followed by a discussion of the argument from fine tuning.

Craig does especially well in his presentation of Kalam; I felt his presentation of the fine tuning argument to be rather weak. I've seen much better.

Carroll starts by suggesting that framing the argument in terms of Kalam and Design are the wrong approaches, that cosmology has abandoned such things in favor of predictive, naturalistic models. He does a fair job at this. Where he really shines is in his arguments against the fine tuning argument.

Craig's rebuttal didn't accomplish a great deal other than to repeat his original complaints, yet his presentation of Kalam remains strong.

Carroll's rebuttal dealing with Kalam was very good, and it is an excellent rebuttal.

Craig's closing statement is good, but again, repetitive.

Carroll's closing was sort of a curve ball, feel good "hope" for a renewed basis for spirituality. Meh.

So in summation, if you're interested in a good theist representation of fine tuning, it isn't here; if you're looking for a good naturalist rebuttal to fine tuning, Carroll's 20 minute opening statement is excellent.

I will not comment on the Q & A.

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Messages In This Thread
A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Heywood - March 27, 2014 at 3:46 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 3:54 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by John V - March 27, 2014 at 7:16 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 7:17 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Angrboda - March 27, 2014 at 9:07 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 4:00 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 4:04 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 4:09 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Alex K - March 27, 2014 at 4:21 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Alex K - March 27, 2014 at 4:37 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Alex K - April 4, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Alex K - April 4, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Tonus - March 27, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 7:11 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Alex K - March 27, 2014 at 12:42 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 9:11 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - March 27, 2014 at 9:18 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Chas - March 28, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by Chas - April 5, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: A fined tuned argument.....Heywood style. - by tor - April 5, 2014 at 7:09 pm

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