Ultimate revelations of God.

[TruthWorthy]

ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon.

No - it isn't. Reality is what is after you've closed and opened your eyes, trying to wish things away. How you want to perceive things is also limited in it's subjectivity, as when you injure yourself, the pain you get is your body telling you how things are, not what you'd choose to see.

Reality intrudes.

I don't mean that belief itself creates reality, but that a person's belief is a person's reality.
In another way, some people don't feel pain, others enjoy it, it depends on interpretation of what is to how a person views things. Kinda like a glass half full, or half empty approach.

TruthWorthy Wrote: " ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon."

In my opinion reality is exactly like objectivity it is true whether you believe it or not. Here is a good definition of objectivity that is relative to this post from wikipedia.

'While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are "mind-independent"—that is, not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. '

Yes, agreed. The mind doesn't change reality itself. Social rules can be different among believers, for instance. So that what's considered good in one group, isn't in another. In another way, I find God, then I decide He isn't there, then I find Him again, and so on. I find it's easier to argue that He doesn't exist and reasoning could lend itself to atheism more easily than theism.


I posted on AF as an atheist in the thread 'intelligence in emotion'. I honestly don't think that all of life consists of cold hard facts, or that cold hard facts are all that's intelligent.