Loki Wrote:1) Its no different to the big bang. Basically the same point can be applied. Its an interesting question. Maybe one day we will have an answer. In the meantime i'll patiently accept scientific ignorance until we have some evidence. Better than adopting religious ignorance.Good good Just so long as one recognizes that it isn't any different
Quote:2) God could have always existed (and for the moment presuming it exists). Just interesting what it was doing for the eternities before he ran up our universe? Did it have previous universes? Are we universe number 1000? Maybe it is two timing us and has several universes on the go at once.... I know for you it probably doesn't matter what it was doing for the eternities before he created this universe, but that's part of the scientific mind, not the religious.Disclaimer: I'm an atheist, and am just playing the devils advocate here...
Why would it have been eternities? Wouldn't "He" have to be outside of time as well if indeed he created everything? I don't see how "Him" creating more than one universe changes in any way the 'fact?' that "He" created this one. It really doesn't matter to me what "He" was doing... but it's so terribly boring to be "perfect"... he'd likely want the company of imperfect beings (to interest Him)... so why not create imperfect beings? This is the alternative, after all: http://bioshock.wikia.com/wiki/J.S._Steinman
Quote:3) Again, the religious mind shows itself. We can't detect it therefore its not relevant. Of course its bloody relevant! The more we find out about the universe and how it works the more chance we have of surviving as a species. One day in a few million years our sun will go kaboom! If we don't figure out a way off this rock before then (assuming some other natural disaster doesn't wipe us out) then that's the end of our species. I don't know about you, but I would like humanity to spread our among the stars. Possibly to meet and interact with other lifeforms. Who knows, maybe one day we will crack enough mysteries of the universe to even find a way of humanity surviving the end of the universe.
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Quote:Same with going downscale. We think maybe we have the smallest particles figured out with quarks etc, but there is always the potential for there to be something smaller that we can't detect.
If we cannot detect it (or its effects, or some reason it might exist), then there is no reason to suppose it exists at all. I should have thought that quite scientific (not to assume that there are smaller things than the smallest we can detect (without reason))... is it not religious in nature to assume that such things exist without any evidence? Moving on...
Quote:The more we find out about the universe and how it works the more chance we have of surviving as a species. One day in a few million years our sun will go kaboom! If we don't figure out a way off this rock before then (assuming some other natural disaster doesn't wipe us out) then that's the end of our species.
And that works in the other way too... the bomb dropped on hiroshima may as well have been a potato in respect to the destructive power our technology makes us capable of. As for our sun going "boom"... it simply will not happen. And it won't be millions of years either... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Life_cycle how does "The increase in solar temperatures is such that already in about a billion years, the surface of the Earth will become too hot for liquid water to exist, ending all terrestrial life." sound to you? If I was you, i'd be more concerned about our capacity to kill ourselves than nature's capacity to kill a few of us (exclusion would be one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_even...vilization , though imo much more unlikely than us killing ourselves off).
Quote:I don't know about you, but I would like humanity to spread our among the stars. Possibly to meet and interact with other lifeforms. Who knows, maybe one day we will crack enough mysteries of the universe to even find a way of humanity surviving the end of the universe.
This matters how?
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day