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Epicurus riddle.
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RE: Epicurus riddle.
@ the OP

Opinions on Epicurus' riddle? FUCKING AWESOME. One of my favourite pieces of writing of all time.

EvF
(April 11, 2010 at 10:15 pm)The Piper Wrote: God enables us to have free will, meaning that some will do evil and some won't. It's our choice, God is allowing us to determine our fate and he is very patient. Evil will be dealt with in his time.

If God is truly both omnipotent and omnibenevolent then he would give us the freedom to do as we wish ('free will') and yet he would have created it so that we were intrinsically good and so never would want to 'Do Evil'. We'd be free... we just wouldn't want to 'do Evil'.

Furthermore, if God was truly both omnipotent and omnibenevolent, then he would never have created any 'natural evil' in the sense of environmental disasters and all the suffering that goes on in the wild with other organisms as well as ourselves.

Furthermore,

Where is your evidence for 'Free Will'? It is obvious that 'Will' exists, our'selves' = our 'Will's respectively. But I am yet to know of anyone who can provide me of any evidence whatsoever of the existence of specifically 'free will.' How is it free? If we could control our Wills, if we could control our 'selves', then that would be our 'will'/'self' control its self. So our self would have to have a self.... and so on, infinite regress. How can the Will possibly be free, how can 'we' have control over our 'selves', if 'we' are[/i[ our 'self'. The Will is necessarily the very part of us that DOES the controlling, so how on earth can [i]it be free? Please do provide evidence.

EvF
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Epicurus riddle. - by Archbow - April 11, 2010 at 11:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Paul the Human - April 11, 2010 at 12:03 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by roscogre - July 19, 2014 at 10:12 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 12:58 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Welsh cake - April 11, 2010 at 1:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 11, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 11, 2010 at 10:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 11, 2010 at 11:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 12:14 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 12:21 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 6:41 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 8:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by GalaxyCat - February 25, 2013 at 3:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Infanta - January 20, 2016 at 11:17 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:21 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 11:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 11, 2010 at 11:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 12:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 2:05 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 2:09 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by tavarish - April 12, 2010 at 2:20 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Piper - April 12, 2010 at 2:22 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - April 12, 2010 at 3:38 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:06 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:39 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 6:52 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 7:05 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 7:15 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 7:31 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ace Otana - April 12, 2010 at 10:14 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by chatpilot - April 12, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 8:52 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 8:58 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 9:14 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 9:47 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 10:07 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 10:33 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Eilonnwy - April 12, 2010 at 11:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - April 12, 2010 at 9:00 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:04 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Violet - April 12, 2010 at 9:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 9:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Disinter - April 12, 2010 at 11:43 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - April 13, 2010 at 10:28 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Kayenneh - February 25, 2013 at 3:56 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by PyroManiac - February 25, 2013 at 12:11 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Dystopia - July 19, 2014 at 10:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Fidel_Castronaut - July 20, 2014 at 4:12 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Lemonvariable72 - July 20, 2014 at 5:32 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by jesus_wept - July 20, 2014 at 5:39 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by maccoon - January 14, 2016 at 3:54 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Lemonvariable72 - January 20, 2016 at 6:05 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 21, 2016 at 4:45 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Longhorn - January 14, 2016 at 4:01 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by TheRealJoeFish - January 14, 2016 at 4:36 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 20, 2016 at 10:47 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 20, 2016 at 7:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:19 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 22, 2016 at 1:20 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by The Inquisition - January 22, 2016 at 10:03 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 12:45 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 29, 2016 at 1:16 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - January 29, 2016 at 4:32 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 22, 2016 at 2:51 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 26, 2016 at 12:36 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - January 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - January 20, 2016 at 2:15 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:09 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 20, 2016 at 2:34 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Drich - January 21, 2016 at 12:13 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 27, 2016 at 7:22 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 27, 2016 at 12:14 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 29, 2016 at 1:49 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 29, 2016 at 5:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 29, 2016 at 4:24 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 3, 2016 at 11:54 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 9:42 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:17 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 6, 2016 at 4:26 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 28, 2016 at 7:24 am
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - January 28, 2016 at 7:44 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 28, 2016 at 8:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Homeless Nutter - January 29, 2016 at 6:19 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - January 28, 2016 at 1:00 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - January 29, 2016 at 2:31 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Edwardo Piet - January 29, 2016 at 2:59 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 10:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 3, 2016 at 11:50 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 4, 2016 at 6:07 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Godschild - February 6, 2016 at 3:11 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Nay_Sayer - February 6, 2016 at 3:15 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 4, 2016 at 9:47 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 29, 2016 at 3:09 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - January 29, 2016 at 8:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - January 30, 2016 at 12:57 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - January 30, 2016 at 3:56 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 11:46 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 7:29 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 1, 2016 at 7:50 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:34 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2016 at 1:27 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - February 2, 2016 at 1:41 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Ravenshire - February 2, 2016 at 11:04 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Catholic_Lady - February 1, 2016 at 8:31 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 1, 2016 at 8:38 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 2, 2016 at 1:44 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Cecelia - February 2, 2016 at 1:51 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:24 pm
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RE: Epicurus riddle. - by athrock - February 2, 2016 at 1:22 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Mudhammam - February 2, 2016 at 8:20 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Minimalist - February 2, 2016 at 1:45 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by robvalue - February 3, 2016 at 5:25 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 3:52 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Neo-Scholastic - February 3, 2016 at 4:49 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 3, 2016 at 5:18 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Angrboda - February 3, 2016 at 6:57 pm
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Brian37 - February 4, 2016 at 8:46 am
RE: Epicurus riddle. - by Jenny A - February 3, 2016 at 7:59 pm
Epicurus riddle. - by LadyForCamus - February 3, 2016 at 5:59 pm
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