Ultimate revelations of God.

[Edwardo Piet]

I don'tthink atheist believe in subjective truth... Everyhting must be visible to all equally or have 0 value... I think that about sums up the contention between atheists and thesist.. along with a few notes on evidence and uses of faith.

Subjective truth?

What as in "Well, it's true to me?" ??? Something is either true or not whether we're agnostic about it or not, whether we can truly absolutely know it or not (as I believe we can't, I'm agnostic).

Sounds rather suspiciously like 'Truthiness' to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

EvF

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I'm a little bit thrown here EvF. Firstly, my emotions could already be in my head, along with my thoughts (where by the way, thoughts actually stem from).

Are you taking the piss? I was speaking metaphorically obviously. I am saying you aren't trusting your head as in your rationality. You instead are following your 'Gut' or 'heart' as in irrational emotions.

Yes, I've taken up Catholicism

And the way I see it, it's just one more person who's on the side of an insane ideology.

; no, I don't claim it as the one true path to God that is the sole and only way to God.

Well, on the one hand: That's good for obvious reasons. On the other hand, for less obvious reasons, that's bad because you're so vague you can't even ATTEMPT to argue your own position and it's excruciatingly annoying and a tad depressing to me, with this "anything goes" attitude of yours. Diplomatic bullshit. At least if you thought your way was the right way objectively speaking, then we could have a proper argument... at least then you'd choose a side. It would be slightly less annoying.

I say that all views are valid - this one is valid to me.

To say all views are valid is like saying no views are valid. Because if no view is to be valued objectively over another then there is no objective truth and no reason to stray away from deluded crap ideologies such as, Catholism. When it comes to rationality I do indeed discriminate and say some views are more valid than others. Evidence is valid when it comes to truth, faith is certainly not.

You want to see my evidence?

My bet is that you don't fucking have any but it's possible (barely I guess) I could be wrong and you can try if you like.

I like you EvF[, you're always alluding to the truth in what can be seen, heard, etc.

It's sad that that alone is enough a reason to like me. Desiring the truth should be a commonplace character trait in my mind, not a fucking quirk.

You can't have any, we all know that.

And do you know that to knowingly believe without valid evidence is delusional?

Also, as a consequence of all the times you play on the evidence as an argument against faith;

Because faith is belief that lacks evidence. And lacking evidence and believing is delusional (delusional in the sense of, false belief at the very least).

I have a suggested name change for you: "Experience vs. Faith";

No because that's retarded. Personal experience is (almost) certainly not evidence for God.

at the end of every arguement on faith comes the on based on experience (apparently).

Well, in my experience I have come to prefer the truth to lies. Your username is truthworthy but you behave as if you prefer a placebo. Evidence is the only practical way to truth. So I choose evidence over faith (faith being, the retarded act in believing without evidence).

Unfortunately, the only way I can share my experience with you is through language, I can literally present it as a concrete object for you.

I don't want a share of your BS... the way I see it it's you, not me, who's the one missing out here buddy.

EvF