The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave

[Revelation777]

They testified of Him in by far the most popular book ever written.

When you make an argument that contains a fallacy like argument ad populum, it doesn't mean your conclusion is wrong, but it does mean that if you're right, it doesn't have anything to do with the argument you made.

Since it's been pointed out to you that it's a fallacy to think that something's popularity makes it more likely to be true, you're aware of this particular fallacy and that you're communicating with an audience that notices and cares if your arguments contain fallacies.

To continue to use it in the face of that information, it's reasonable to infer that you actually don't care one whit about reaching any of us.

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I am doing as the Lord is directing me. He has placed a love in my heart for atheists.

It's nice that you feel that way, and I don't say it to make fun. The one thing Christians often claim that they should be able to demonstrate is that they're better people for having a relationship with Jesus. Arguably the only original moral teaching of Jesus was to love your enemies.

Just remember that you can't sincerely say you love someone if you're unwilling to try to understand them.

And maybe ask Jesus to place a more convincing approach in your brain to go along with the love in your heart.

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I'm happily married.

Glad to see you're able to keep your humor in the face of derision.

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Where they there?

I think the folly of raising an objection that can apply equally to you has been pointed out more than once. Why do you keep doing it?

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Not my intentions at all. Sorry you feel that way.

For what it's worth, I believe that you don't intend to come off as condescending and that you're coming from a place of sincerity. We get a lot of trolls in these parts, and the benefit of the doubt can be hard to come by.

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If I, the messenger is flawed, I apologize, I'm a work in progress. But the message is one of truth, hope, and love.

You're the only evidence for your message available. In this case, the messenger IS the message. You convey your message, especially if it's about truth, hope, and love; with your comportment as well as your words.

And you're making an effort in that regard, which is more than I can say for some messengers we've gotten around here.

Thank you for that.

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Ok so what it boils down to is really the following: Jesus really doesn't live up to my ethical standards, which are much better than his. Sorry, Rev, your messiah is not good enough for me. Also, most every poor soul dying of cancer today suffers more than he did back then on the cross - I mean come on, he knew he was the son of god. He basically did it on purpose!

What are your ethical standards? What do you believe in?

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I am sorry you feel that way. What do you believe?

I believe I'll have a beer.

Would you have a beer with a Christian?

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I believe I'll have a beer.

Evidence or it never happened.

Do you believe in anything that you have never actually seen?

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When Jesus was crucified he suffered a mild inconvenience, a hiccup, if you will, in the grand scheme of things. Calling what happened to him a "sacrifice" a gross exaggeration of the story's details

When Gandalf the Grey was pulled from the Fellowship by the Balrog, it was a small road bump in the journey to Mordor. He returned from the depths of the earth, reborn as Gandalf the White. Arguably, Frodo and Sam didn't even need help getting to their goal. And remember that Gandalf also saved the two Hobbits before they burned alive, which is more than we can say for the resurrected Jesus, who didn't care to step in when Peter was crucified upside down.

Would upside down crucifixion even work?
It puts totally different mechanical pressures on the body.

Peter requested to be crucified upside down.

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I come as an ambassador for Christ.

You sure???

Yes, but I have to seek the Lord each day to see how He is leading.