RE: Why is evolution hiding?
April 3, 2014 at 12:35 pm
(This post was last modified: April 3, 2014 at 12:44 pm by Phatt Matt s.)
(March 31, 2014 at 6:42 pm)Chas Wrote:(March 31, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: I consider God to be the wisdom behind knowing that those traits would benefit the future Birds.
No planning, no guidance, no design.
The evidence is compelling that it is a blind, mindless process.
(March 31, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: Also, I've read into the personal testimonies of Scientists who converted as a result of studying the miralce worker Saints, The Shroud of Turin, The Guadalupe Mantle, etc.
Citation required.
(March 31, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: I've done the research with skepticism and know there is a lot of bullshit out there, but am convinced that Science has put forth evidence that has been tested by Scientific method and is in favor of a higher providential power. Aka (God)
One more time: Citation required. I know of no such evidence.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Shroud_of_Turin
(April 2, 2014 at 1:02 am)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: Is it really though? The only truly scientific viewpoint lacking sufficient evidence to is to withhold judgement. TC isn't doing that, and I don't do it myself most of the time, because I don't believe irrational beliefs are exempt from critical examination.
But gnostic atheists and gnostic theists both lack sufficient evidence for their conclusions.
So while TC is coming at this from a decidedly more woo and theism from a less rational basis, I can respect that he's willing to ask questions, as ridiculous as they are. What I'd like to see him do is ask the really tough questions, abandon the cushy beginners bumpers and actually wonder and entertain the abyss:
That there is no god, there is no plan, there is no life after death. There is suffering, cruelty, misery, pain, and loss.
But that's ok. When I almost died, there were no pearly gates or angels. What I got instead was an experience which showed me how precious and fragile what I have in this life is, no matter how strong I thought I was.
I've veered wildly off topic, but if there's nothing in the hereafter, how much more precious does that make our short lives?
Why fill it with willful ignorance and hope for What Dreams May Come?
Talk about slapping your creator in the face. You've been given this gift of a brief life and the ability to contemplate everything that exists and ever has existed, and people would rather retreat to fairy tales and reasons they're special and loved out of all creation, by ignoring the only reality they will ever live in?
Wake up. Stop accepting things on faith, or believing your creator, if there is one, will be upset you asked tough questions.
Very good and thoughtful mam/sir. I have however entertained that there may be no God. My personally experience tells me differently, but I know that personal experience and testimonials have no weight in a discussion. They do apply to me however and influence my beliefs. Rightfully so.
If you prayed to God and had a miraculous transformation and repeatedly the help that you needed was given to you (imperfect as it may have been), it might influence your outlook. At the same time, it carries no water for anyone but yourself, especially in a debate. So painfully, I must leave out my personal relationship with my higher power. At least the vast majority of it.
(March 31, 2014 at 2:14 pm)rasetsu Wrote:(March 31, 2014 at 1:50 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote:I consider God to be the wisdom behind knowing that those traits would benefit the future Birds.(March 29, 2014 at 12:31 pm)Rasetsu Wrote:
The answers to your questions are out there. Your continuing to ask these questions here with an air of incredulity is either because you don't like the answers for some reason and prefer willful ignorance, or you're too fucking lazy to educate yourself. Read a book, for Christ's sake.
Quote:Really, dude. This was on the list I just gave you. You're not even trying.
See also: TalkOrigins - Evolution and Philosophy: Is There Progress and Direction in Evolution?
I didn't ask a question in the post you responded to. Did I wrong you in a previous life or somethin? Never expected such a militant defense of evolution from a deeply Religious Hindu.