(April 3, 2014 at 12:21 pm)fr0d0 Wrote:(April 3, 2014 at 10:55 am)Upside Down Dog Wrote: This is why most Arminians are weak in theology.
If God is omniscient and omnipotent, then there cannot be free will.
If there is free will, then God is subjugated to our choices and whims which takes away His omnipotence.
Even if He knows our choices that we are going to make and predestines based on those choices; this is still subjugating God to our choices and free will - even more so because we are forcing God to plan the future based on our future actions.
Free will simply cannot co-exist with a being that is omniscient and omnipotent.
That's nonsense. You're saying that if God knows all future events and had moulded them at his will, then because he already set those events he can't have free will.
You're another who conflates timeless with time bound. First God has to be timeless to set everything up, and then time bound to be confounded by his actions.
No I said humans cannot have free will.
-kingschosen
