RE: Who throws the dice for you?
April 11, 2014 at 4:36 pm
(This post was last modified: April 11, 2014 at 4:38 pm by Fromper.)
(April 11, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Heywood Wrote:So what you're saying is that you can't wrap your ahead around the randomness of quantum mechanics, so you insert an unnecessary extra factor (God) into it, to make it easier for you to accept. The real question is why you think randomness has to have a cause.(April 11, 2014 at 11:53 am)Fromper Wrote: I'm suddenly reminded of the TV show "Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles". In one of the later episodes, a pre-terminator robot is being "taught" like a child how to interact with humans, and one of the scientists is playing D&D with it. The robot manages to roll a couple of 20s on a 20 sided die to get very good results, which the scientist teaching it thinks is lucky until someone else points out that the robot can probably manipulate the die well enough to roll a 20 any time it wants to.
A game of Dungeons and Dragons requires an element of randomness which is provided by the roll of the die. The universe needs an element of randomness too. But where does this element of randomness come from? I have a hard time accepting the idea that randomness just exists. In my mind the universe is either super-deterministic or there is a non-physical non-local element to reality in which randomness is being generated.
If a supernatural God is throwing the dice for us, I would expect that from our perspective randomness would just appear to be. As this happens to be the case in my mind a quantum mechanical world fits very nicely with theism. If I were an atheist, I would be stuck with super determinism.
Is that all you atheists have is super determinism or is there something else that I am missing?
(April 11, 2014 at 4:28 pm)Tonus Wrote:That's probably a better answer than mine.(April 11, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Heywood Wrote: Is that all you atheists have is super determinism or is there something else that I am missing?I don't really think about it. What led me away from theism was not ever finding god. Posts like your OP sound to me as if you are saying that god must exist because you cannot fathom a universe where he does not. That seems, to me, to approach the issue from the wrong end. I suppose that some day it might be shown that the universe cannot exist without god, and that therefore god has to exist. I think he could make it a lot easier on everyone by just showing up.
That's MISTER Godless Vegetarian Tree Hugging Hippie Liberal to you.