(April 11, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Chuck Wrote:(April 11, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: I'm glad you agree that science suggests there must be elements of reality that are inaccessible. The observable natural world isn't all there is.
No, I do not agree.
Observable natural world may or may not be all there is. But the fact that it is in principle unobservable means in its broadest sense whatever may or may not be there has no detectable impact in principle and is thus totally indistibguishable from not being there.
So assertion that there must be something worth asserting there is as good as a petulent fart in polite company.
You can't ever know it is there, so don't pretend it is there.
Chuck, do you tell the string theorists not to believe extra dimensions or other physicists not to believe in multiple universe?
I think its become very difficult to construct a coherent world view with out employing the need for elements of reality to exists outside the observable.
(April 11, 2014 at 5:27 pm)Chuck Wrote:(April 11, 2014 at 5:12 pm)Heywood Wrote: When did I ever claim that I experience events at the quantum level? I only claimed that in my experience randomness is a subjective experience resulting from ignorance of all the elements which cause a particular outcome of an event.
Then your experience is irrelevent. Appending it to description of quantum event is at best a non sequitar, at worst a conscious duplicity.
Randomness is not a consequence of quantum mechanics. Quantum mechanics doesn't say what randomness is.
If you don't think I should rely on my personal experience to determine what randomness is you need to give me something else.