Daystar

[Raymond]

The ban on Daystar is too restrictive to my taste. Stubborn behaviour and hard headedness can't be enough reason to ban someone. That behaviour is how the person portrays himself on the forum open and plain, for everybody to see. When you don't want to respond to the same rhetoric anymore, just don't or put him on your ignore list. I think it is the wrong choice on the issue of free speech. If on a forum dedicated to atheism free speech is restricted like this, then where can we truly find free speech?

In my view the right to freedom of speech is fine but it also implies responsibility (all rights do) the primary one being that if you possess a given right (such as freedom of speech) then you are expected to guarantee other's that very same right.

Daystar has affected some emotions here but in no way has he hindered you in your right to free speech.

In a forum that is essentially dedicated to debate however I believe things change a bit, there is an implied responsibility that if you claim something that is not self-evident (generally accepted) or is indefensible you must defend that POV or withdraw the assertion, furthermore if you are called on a given point you must be prepared to defend it or accept the possible consequences.

That's just the way I see it but it seems to me that, if these things aren't so, you risk total anarchy which kinda makes the place pointless.

You expect from believers to think and debate rationally as defined by your criteria. Well, all we can say is that it is your expectation. Restricting debate to these rules seems rational but it ain't FREE speech (~ speech in which there are no boundaries or restrictions). I think that non rational behaviour primary backfires on the person himself. In a truly open society the price to pay for freedom is the room to differ in opinion even in the face of all rationality.

From what i have seen there are two complaints aganst daystar. The first is that he was rude and disrespectful. I have seen many others here be rude and disrespactful to him as well and they are not banned because they are atheist. the second reason is that he didn't back up some things that he said. There are two things i notice about this, that he had a lot of people against him and it would take forever to answer them all more so when people keep asking him the same questions.

the other thing of that last part is that i noticed the day that i signed up here that no one was answering his questions on evolution as much as he was answering their questions.

i think that is a lie.

I tried to talk to him on the other board but he has been banned from there to. and why ?! i have emailed him and hope to hear from him soon. i hope you think about how this makes atheist look like. PurpleRabbit is right on this. i was hoping to get to discuss with him.