(April 13, 2014 at 10:10 am)Heywood Wrote:(April 12, 2014 at 11:52 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: And if we don't have the answer, then... God of the gaps?
No God of the gaps for reasons already explained in this thread.
You have 3 options.
1. A supernatural dice roller.
2. Bell's theorem is somehow wrong.
3. Randomness is not a function of ignorance but a property of the universe.
I'd dismiss 2 before I dismiss 1. I don't like 3 very much because it completely contradicts my experience.
So, option 1 is your favorite? That is a God of the gaps argument. Your stated position* is "you don't know of anything physical that creates randomness, and theism solves this quite nicely, but you can't explain how it works.". That's what that means.
* supporting evidence:
(April 11, 2014 at 8:25 am)Heywood Wrote: If I roll dice, the out come of the roll is completely random to me. However If I looked at the dice roll in sufficient detail....noting the initial point of contact, velocity, angular momentum, coefficient of friction, etc. the outcome becomes predictable. It would seem then that randomness is really just a function of ignorance.
This LaPlacian view holds true until you get to the quantum level. At the quantum level events happen which physicists tell us are fundamentally random. Fundamentally random is a hard pill to swallow when randomness appears to be a function of ignorance.
(April 11, 2014 at 4:17 pm)Heywood Wrote: If a supernatural God is throwing the dice for us, I would expect that from our perspective randomness would just appear to be. As this happens to be the case in my mind a quantum mechanical world fits very nicely with theism. If I were an atheist, I would be stuck with super determinism.