Heaven and The Problem of Evil

[RobbyPants]

The point of my OP is that any imagining of heaven that involves no sin completely invalidates problem-of-evil apologetics. You have not been addressing that or refuting it.

I have addressed it. If sin is unbelief then how can you disbelieve God if your in heaven? You cannot enter heaven with sin, you must first be cleansed of sin through Christ, receive his spirit then it is impossible for you to sin, and this is in regard to right now on earth, heaven has nothing to do with it.

No, you haven't. It's a nonsequitur.

That's the whole stated point of this thread. Either:

• God cannot create a realm without suffering (ergo, heaven doesn't exist as commonly described), or
  
• God created suffering because he wanted suffering.
  

That's it. There's no magical third option; just people picking the second option and coming up with unstated reasons for why God has to allow suffering, but he doesn't have to, but he chooses to, because he loves us.

Again, this was addressed. there was no suffering in Eden, death didn't exist. Suffering came through sin and the hybridization of the human race through the serpent. Observe nature, Hybreeding always brings death, which is why hybrids typically end up sterile. Also Lucifer wasn't the only one that rebelled, A third of the angels rebelled with him. In other words sin started in heaven.

Again, you didn't address what I said and answered with a nonsequitur. Is Almighty God capable of creating a realm with no sin and suffering where at no point there will be no sin and suffering in the future? Answer that question yes or no.

Yes: So, God is capable of making a perfect realm where we don't sin, and we won't sin down the line. This is what most people consider heaven. If God can make that place, why didn't he make it in the first place? Once we get to that point in time (where there will be no sin in the future), then all discussions of sin and sin-caused suffering are useless and moot. If that realm can exist, then we could be in it now, but we aren't because God wants suffering.

No: So, there will always be sin sometime down the road, which means heaven is not permanent and you believe in a heaven vastly different than most Christians.


So Huggy, which is it? Yes or no? Can almighty God create a realm that has no sin and won't have sin in the future?