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Heaven and The Problem of Evil
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RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil
(April 16, 2014 at 11:41 am)ChadWooters Wrote:
(April 11, 2014 at 2:16 pm)RobbyPants Wrote: You clearly believe that God can create a good realm where people are happy. Why do we have to endure here before we get there? You just said he has no limitation in that regard.
Either I was not clear or you misunderstood. God does not provide a happy place. Rather, God empowers those who follow Him to refrain from sin. A community of spirits that refrain from sin form a Heaven.

I'm not asking what he does. I'm asking what he can do.

So, it is your stance that the people in heaven could sin, yet don't? So they have free will, but they never sin? How is that possible, if no one is without sin here on earth? There must be some sort of transformation happening between their life here and their existence in heaven.

If there is a transformation, why didn't God just make us like that in the first place?




(April 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Like I said I've answered your question, but since you don't seem capable of going back a page and looking I'll just post it here.

I apologize. I did miss that. Okay...

(April 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: How did I not make myself clear? if an yes or no answer is what you want, the answer to "Can almighty God create a realm that has no sin and won't have sin in the future?" is yes. God wanting suffering would only be true if he made Eve sin.

So, my point is: God can make a world where there is no suffering and will be no suffering, yet he didn't. He made this world knowing full well that there could be suffering. There are two options here:
  • He had no choice. This is a nonstarter, because you just said he can do so, or
  • He wanted to allow for sin and suffering.
I suppose you could argue that he didn't know there would be sin, but that kind of shoots omniscience and all of his prophesying in the foot...
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Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 10, 2014 at 7:37 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Faith No More - April 10, 2014 at 7:56 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Ryantology - April 10, 2014 at 8:22 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 10, 2014 at 8:50 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by The Valkyrie - April 10, 2014 at 9:09 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Senshi - April 10, 2014 at 9:19 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 10, 2014 at 9:14 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by The Valkyrie - April 10, 2014 at 9:17 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Godlesspanther - April 10, 2014 at 9:48 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Senshi - April 10, 2014 at 10:14 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by MindForgedManacle - April 10, 2014 at 10:20 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 10, 2014 at 10:49 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by FifthElement - April 11, 2014 at 2:37 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by tor - April 11, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Anomalocaris - April 11, 2014 at 6:42 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2014 at 12:08 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 11, 2014 at 7:09 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 11, 2014 at 9:34 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Thackerie - April 13, 2014 at 6:33 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 11, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 11, 2014 at 1:19 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 11, 2014 at 1:36 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 11, 2014 at 2:16 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2014 at 11:41 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Ryantology - April 11, 2014 at 6:31 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Esquilax - April 11, 2014 at 6:51 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2014 at 12:22 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 12, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Ryantology - April 12, 2014 at 6:46 pm
Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Rampant.A.I. - April 11, 2014 at 1:33 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Fidel_Castronaut - April 11, 2014 at 1:34 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Tonus - April 11, 2014 at 2:41 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Esquilax - April 11, 2014 at 3:37 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by truthBtold - April 11, 2014 at 3:24 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Minimalist - April 11, 2014 at 3:34 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 11, 2014 at 5:58 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Senshi - April 11, 2014 at 7:03 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 12, 2014 at 10:21 am
Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Rampant.A.I. - April 12, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Angrboda - April 12, 2014 at 2:04 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 12, 2014 at 6:21 pm
Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Rampant.A.I. - April 12, 2014 at 9:06 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 15, 2014 at 8:44 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 12, 2014 at 10:05 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 12, 2014 at 11:57 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 15, 2014 at 11:43 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 11:57 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 15, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 15, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by truthBtold - April 15, 2014 at 12:53 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by truthBtold - April 15, 2014 at 11:49 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 15, 2014 at 12:22 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 15, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Godlesspanther - April 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 12:52 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 15, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 15, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 3:26 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 15, 2014 at 3:45 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 15, 2014 at 9:27 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 10:16 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by *Deidre* - April 15, 2014 at 10:52 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 16, 2014 at 12:04 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by truthBtold - April 16, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 16, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2014 at 5:19 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Ryantology - April 16, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 16, 2014 at 8:24 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2014 at 9:35 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 16, 2014 at 9:56 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Ryantology - April 16, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 18, 2014 at 8:18 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 16, 2014 at 10:50 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 15, 2014 at 3:51 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Esquilax - April 13, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Tonus - April 13, 2014 at 4:35 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by MindForgedManacle - April 12, 2014 at 10:21 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 13, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by tor - April 13, 2014 at 9:25 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 13, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 13, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 13, 2014 at 4:58 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by professor - April 13, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Godlesspanther - April 13, 2014 at 6:45 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 14, 2014 at 9:21 am
Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Rampant.A.I. - April 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 12:28 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Creed of Heresy - April 15, 2014 at 12:46 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 1:13 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by truthBtold - April 15, 2014 at 1:17 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by JuliaL - April 15, 2014 at 2:14 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 2:35 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 15, 2014 at 2:48 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Silver - April 15, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by truthBtold - April 15, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Godlesspanther - April 15, 2014 at 1:16 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 15, 2014 at 2:26 pm
Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Rampant.A.I. - April 15, 2014 at 3:31 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 15, 2014 at 10:32 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Huggy Bear - April 15, 2014 at 10:42 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by RobbyPants - April 15, 2014 at 10:52 pm
Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Rampant.A.I. - April 15, 2014 at 11:11 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by *Deidre* - April 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 16, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by *Deidre* - April 16, 2014 at 3:58 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Coffee Jesus - April 16, 2014 at 4:18 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by *Deidre* - April 16, 2014 at 4:43 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by Ryantology - April 16, 2014 at 5:00 pm
RE: Heaven and The Problem of Evil - by ThomM - April 16, 2014 at 5:24 pm

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