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Problem of Divine Freedom
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RE: Problem of Divine Freedom
(April 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm)CapnAwesome Wrote: Who cares. This argument only applies to an omni-benevolent god, which is only believed in by a fairly small minority of the theists that have ever existed.

Are you saying that "when backed into a corner, a typical theist will admit God isn't omnibenevolent" or "most theists already don't believe in an omnibenevolent god"? While it's anecdotal, almost every Christian I've encountered makes the assumption that God is all good. When backed into a corner, they either stop answering questions, or redefine "all good" to include some very creepy things and still maintain God is all good.


(April 17, 2014 at 5:34 am)fr0d0 Wrote: God can't do evil, because he is good. Good is his most basic property. If a positive ion couldn't change into a negative ion, then God would be the positive ion. The negative ion exists as a natural counterpart, but is never the positive ion.

1. For an agent to be morally good it must be free to act.

2. God is an agent for good

3. God is free to act as his nature dictates

Morality isn't applicable where there is no choice to do evil.

Why not make all people intrinsically good, then, too? If the answer to that question is "to know that we love him" and God is defined as "good", then part of the definition of "good" is "purposefully putting sentient beings in a situation where they will suffer for purely selfish reasons".
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Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 16, 2014 at 4:59 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by CapnAwesome - April 16, 2014 at 8:08 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by RobbyPants - April 18, 2014 at 9:27 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 10:49 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by bennyboy - April 16, 2014 at 10:37 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 16, 2014 at 10:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 12:17 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 5:34 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 6:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 6:49 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 5:41 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 5:56 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 6:06 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by sven - April 17, 2014 at 6:07 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 8:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 7:09 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 17, 2014 at 10:35 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 17, 2014 at 11:24 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 8:43 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 17, 2014 at 9:53 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by MindForgedManacle - April 17, 2014 at 1:26 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 17, 2014 at 1:57 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by FreeTony - April 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by archangle - April 17, 2014 at 2:54 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - April 17, 2014 at 5:51 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 4:52 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 11:32 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 12:54 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 2:09 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 18, 2014 at 4:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 18, 2014 at 8:01 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 2:51 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 19, 2014 at 9:16 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 10:11 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Angrboda - April 19, 2014 at 10:22 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2014 at 11:14 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 3:21 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Senshi - April 19, 2014 at 11:58 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Neo-Scholastic - April 19, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 4:16 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 19, 2014 at 2:29 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 4:17 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 19, 2014 at 6:41 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Paraselene - April 19, 2014 at 2:32 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Counterapologistblog - April 19, 2014 at 5:14 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 19, 2014 at 5:46 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 3:41 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 6:31 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 8:26 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 8:36 am
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 20, 2014 at 1:04 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Esquilax - April 20, 2014 at 6:17 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by fr0d0 - April 21, 2014 at 3:11 pm
RE: Problem of Divine Freedom - by Tonus - April 21, 2014 at 3:27 pm

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