Argument #1: Transitional Fossils

[Godlesspanther]

When we say evolution "does" something, Rev, we are speaking colloquially. We mean the processes by which evolution operates in a population. Evolution didn't 'decide' anything. A mutation happened that caused an organism to replicate in an odd way, and then there was a multicellular organism that was better in the environment than the unicellular one. There is actually great evidence that this happened multiple times, and there is actually a fantastic study showing the origin of multicellularity in a common green algae Volvox. So, no, evolution has no reason or will or any kind of consciousness. We tend to anthropomorphize things, and scientists do it with evolution a lot. It is nothing more that colloquial.
This is good to hear, Rev. I couldn't care less that you believe in God, that is to say I don't care to try and change it. That's great for you---it works for you---and that's all well and good. Seriously. But you have come on here and seriously misrepresented demonstrable facts. The very least that could come from this is maybe that you approach these issues with an open mind, instead of a made up one. I can think of a thousand things that would prove to me that scientists were wrong about evolution. If the evidence were to come in, I'd jump off the ship as fast as any other person here. It's hard to have an intelligent conversation with someone who is of the opinion that he can't be wrong.

Are you telling me that if God could be proved you would be more than happy to believe in Him? Or, if evidence showed evolution is wrong that you would change your original beliefs?

Yes, if there were strong evidence that there really is some sort of deity -- I would have no choice but to accept that the deity exists. But, there would have to be real world evidence for it.

If, all of a sudden we started seeing evidence, quickly mounting preponderance of evidence that evolution does not occur in biological organism, then yes, we drop evolution and go with whatever the evidence points to.

There is no room for dogmatism in science. That is why creationism is not and never will be science. It is based on a dogmatic insistence that a book has magical powers, such that, it's always right no matter what. They ignore, twist, exaggerate, fabricate, or otherwise fuck with the evidence to fit their pre-conceived dogma. This is exactly the opposite of science. That is why we have safeguards to eliminate researcher bias. Scientists strive only for honesty and accuracy in discovering new information. There is no dogma, political, or religious agenda.

Then we can look at the bias of creationists. Take, for example, that piece of shit propaganda movie, Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed. I did see it and I wrote a rathe lengthy review on it. Very dishonest. For one -- it's not a documentary, it's propaganda. Like it or not -- that's just obvious.

When analyzing propaganda, the first question one should do is identify the target audience. "Who is this for?" In the case of Expelled, it is clearly not intended for me. In order to find this movie anything other than a repulsive piece of propaganda, one would have to be a right-wing conservative, xtian, ignorant, scientifically illiterate, and gullible.

If you do some actual research into that movie you will find that all of the cases of "persecution" in the film were grossly misrepresented. Interviews with scientists were craftily and dishonestly edited. And most of all -- Adolf Hitler didn't have jack shit to do with Charles Darwin and the theory of evolution. The movie is a pack of lies.

I guess that you have decided that you would rather be a creationist than be honest.