RE: NA/AA is bogus
April 26, 2014 at 11:12 pm
(This post was last modified: April 26, 2014 at 11:17 pm by Chas.)
(April 25, 2014 at 12:17 pm)sven Wrote:(April 25, 2014 at 11:06 am)SteelCurtain Wrote: AA/NA never claims to be the cure for addiction. Find it in the literature and show me where they say, "you will no longer be an addict if you work the steps." In fact, they say the exact opposite. There is no cure. You will always be an addict. It is absolutely a disease. A life threatening disease, with no cure. Hence the phrase "one day at a time."
Allready in the Big Book of AA, it is claimed that the old myth "once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic" will be shattered by the book.
Besides; what negative consequences of drinking could you get if you don't drink?
(April 25, 2014 at 10:32 am)Chas Wrote: Addiction is most certainly at least a mental disease, and many substances are physically addictive. I assume you've gone through withdrawal?
Why do you assume that? I haven't taken a controlled substance in many years.
If you've never gone through withdrawal then your statements about addiction are all ignorant bullshit.
(April 25, 2014 at 2:05 pm)Faith No More Wrote: If AA works for some people, fine, but it appears to be a method to shoehorn religion or spirituality into place where the addiction was. The real problem is that it also it appears that much of the reputation that 12-step programs enjoy is more mythology than fact, and the courts and doctors should recognize that.
Addiction becomes a highly complex issue when you delve into the motivations behind it, and there is no one-size-fits-all cure that everyone should be pointed to. It needs to be done on a case by case basis and treatment needs to be tailored to the addict if we want it to truly be effective.
Maybe, maybe not. You have provided no evidence for your assertions.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
