The redneck strike again.

[Confused Ape]

Making a new post instead of adding this to my last one.

You are making a bit of confusion.
You are talking about shamanic experiences and these
experiences always go hand in hand with hallucinogens.
Religions on the other hand do not rely on hallucinogens
so my claim regards religions not shamanic experiences.

I'm not getting confused at all. Nobody knows how human sprituality/religion got started but hallucinations aren't confined to people with mental illnesses.

Anomalous Experiences

Anomalous experiences, such as so-called benign hallucinations, may occur in a person in a state of good mental and physical health, even in the apparent absence of a transient trigger factor such as fatigue, intoxication or sensory deprivation.

It is not widely recognized that hallucinatory experiences are not merely the prerogative of those suffering from mental illness, or normal people in abnormal states, but that they occur spontaneously in a significant proportion of the normal population, when in good health and not undergoing particular stress or other abnormal circumstance.

The evidence for this statement has been accumulating for more than a century. Studies of benign hallucinatory experiences go back to 1886 and the early work of the Society for Psychical Research,[1][2] which suggested approximately 10% of the population had experienced at least one hallucinatory episode in the course of their life. More recent studies have validated these findings; the precise incidence found varies with the nature of the episode and the criteria of ‘hallucination’ adopted, but the basic finding is now well-supported.[3]

It's very likely that the human brain has always behaved like this. Maybe the first real humans came up with ideas about spirits and spirit worlds to explain their anomalous experiences. People who found ways of producing these experiences at will would have been the very first shamans. Gradually, over thousands of years, various religions developed. People continued to experiment, discovered meditation and came up with further explanations for the experiences they had through meditation.

Shiva teach meditation using a mantra in tune with those times and places and to those people who had a different stage of consciousness.

At the same time the mantras given 7000 years ago are useless these days.

So you're saying a Hindu god kept turning up in different times and places to teach mediation? If so, can you prove that Shiva actually exists?

I am not really worry about what people were worshipping ages ago.
Is not any good to me except for curiosity.

Why aren't you interested? Isn't there a possibility that what people were doing 70,000 years ago came before anyone discovered meditation tecniques?

Mother nature never goes wrong she build up creature
able to deal with a particular attitude.
As i already said many times if we would be omnivore
we would be able to deal with saturated fats, cholesterol
and toxins but we are not so it is obvious that we are not omnivore.

Evidence Foir Meat Eating By Early Humans

Eating Meat and Marrow

The diet of the earliest hominins was probably somewhat similar to the diet of modern chimpanzees: omnivorous, including large quantities of fruit, leaves, flowers, bark, insects and meat (e.g., Andrews & Martin 1991; Milton 1999; Watts 2008). Tooth morphology and dental microwear studies suggest that the diet of some hominins may have included hard food items such as seeds and nuts, and underground storage organs (USOs) such as roots and tubers (Jolly 1970; Peters & O'Brien 1981; Teaford & Ungar 2000; Luca et al. 2010). By at least 2.6 million years ago, a remarkable expansion in this diet started to occur; some hominins began incorporating meat and marrow from small to very large animals into their diet. Let's explore the evidence for this dramatic shift using the 5 "W" questions: When, Where, Who, What, Why (and How).

So when did this start?

Only those fossilized bones with butchery marks can confidently be tied to hominin diet (Blumenschine & Pobiner 2006). The earliest well-accepted evidence for this novel dietary behavior comes from about 2.6 Ma at the site of Gona, Ethiopia (Domínguez-Rodrigo et al. 2005). Probably not coincidentally, it's also around this time that we start to see the first evidence of archaeologically visible accumulations of stone tools (Semaw et al. 2003). There may be evidence of hominin-butchered bones at 3.4 Ma at Dikika, Ethiopia (McPherron et al. 2010), where Australopithecus afarensis remains have been found, but this evidence consists of only a few bone specimens and has been disputed (Domínguez-Rodrigo et al. 2010). The earliest well documented evidence of persistent hominin carnivory from in situ excavated fossil fauna occurring in association with large concentrations of stone tools is at about 2.0 Ma at Kanjera, Kenya (Ferraro et al. 2013). In addition to terrestrial animals, evidence from one site at Koobi Fora shows that hominins began to incorporate aquatic foods like turtles, crocodiles, and fish into their diets by about 1.95 Ma (Braun et al. 2010). Multiple localities at Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, dating to 1.8 Ma also show evidence of in situ butchered mammal remains, ranging in size from hedgehogs to elephants; these are also associated with large numbers of stone tools (Domínguez-Rodrigo et al. 2007; Blumenschine & Pobiner 2006 and references therein). Three sites at Koobi Fora, Kenya, preserve evidence of several butchered mammals from about 1.5 Ma but are not found in association with any stone tools (Pobiner et al. 2008). Perhaps this signals a shift toward intentional specialization of activities, such as animal butchery and stone tool making, in different areas across the landscape.

Meat eating started with our hominid ancestors but, if their diets were like the chimpanzee diet, most of their food would have been fruit, leaves, flowers, bark and insects. The meat would have been free range, not from farm animals fattened up for the meat industry. There was no such thing as processed meat either. The same applies for the first modern humans who would have got a lot of exercise leading a hunter/gatherer lifestyle.

The evidence is there for all to see.
If we would be omnivore the world, the hospitals, the nursing homes,
the jails would not be full of physically and mentally sick people.
Evidence is one thing dogma is a different thing.
Ciao

Howard Cosby, Vegetarian Inmate, Says He Was Told Fish Isn't Meat

HARTFORD, Conn. -- A vegetarian prison inmate in Connecticut has a beef with his prison diet, saying the state is feeding him seafood three times a week and justifying it by telling him that fish is not meat.

Howard Cosby, who was sentenced in 2004 to 19 1/2 years in prison for sexual assault and other crimes, has enlisted the help of an animal rights group in his quest to receive a vegetarian diet at the Corrigan-Radgowski Correctional Institution in Uncasville as a practicing Buddhist.

Here's another article on the subject of vegetarian diets in prisons.

Do Prison Inmates Have a Right to Vegetarian Meals?

In Nevada, one prison offers pork-free and vegetarian alternative meals to all inmates and provides special medical diets to inmates who require such accommodation. Prison regulations provide that an inmate may choose one of the pork-free or vegetarian alternatives for religious, health, or personal reasons. These alternatives conform to the dictates of the Muslim, Hare Krishna, and Seventh-day Adventist religions.

Some vegetarian inmates have been transferred to other prisons that could accommodate their dietary needs. There is no specific right to a transfer of this sort; however, in some instances, a carefully crafted request to transfer may be effective after a showing that there are no feasible alternatives at the prison where an inmate is currently incarcerated.

When a prisoner is considering a strategy or plan of action in seeking vegetarian meals, it is important to carefully document any incidents where he or she is denied vegetarian meals. The prisoner should record the date, time, place, and persons involved. For example, if the prisoner requests vegetarian food from the physician or the chaplain, the information regarding that request should be documented.

CONCLUSION
Receiving vegetarian or vegan meals in prison is no easy process. Although it may sound crass, the easiest way to receive vegetarian or vegan meals in prison is to join a religion that has vegetarianism or veganism as a tenet of the faith. Although it could be argued that ethical veganism should qualify as a religion under the First Amendment, courts may rule otherwise.

I haven't checked the availability of vegan/vegetarian meals in psychiatric hospitals and nursing homes.