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The free will argument demonstrates that christians don't understand free will.
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RE: The free will argument demonstrates that christians don't understand free will.
(April 29, 2014 at 1:02 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: A couple of problems with the OP. "Free will" is a term of art and the OP doesn't seem to narrow in on how it uses the term.

That's because I've never heard a theistic use of the argument that does so, either; "free will," has become a kind of rote catchcall to excuse the problem of evil, but that's where the conversation tends to stop, not start.

Quote: Second, given a god that knows all things possible to know and able to do anything fully conceivable, could such a god create an ideal world. I don't know. No one knows so any argument that takes that premise as given is not sound.

Don't you guys tend to consider heaven to be an ideal world? Thinking

Quote:As for me the issue centers around whether relationships based on mutual love, including both brotherly love and love between a creator and its creation, have meaning if they follow inexorably from the presumably random initial conditions of the universe.

I suppose that depends on what you mean by "meaning," ironically.
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RE: The free will argument demonstrates that christians don't understand free will. - by Esquilax - April 29, 2014 at 1:11 pm

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