RE: Atheists... why do you believe that God doesn't exist?
April 30, 2014 at 3:23 am
(This post was last modified: April 30, 2014 at 3:33 am by fr0d0.)
(April 29, 2014 at 9:09 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 7:23 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Fail
Your supposed refutation is unrelated.
Er, how is it unrelated? You said - did you not? - that what one knows cannot be faulty?
Quote:This knowledge isn't flawed and has never been refuted. Like I said, you could suggest alternatives that may or may not provide as complete an answer (i'm not aware of any).
I think by saying that you show you don't know what you're talking about on this. If you're treating knowledge as a justified true belief, then you can be wrong about things you "know" under that epistemic model: the Gettier cases. Take the following thought experiment:
A person sees two large barns out in the distance. Given the time of day, the side of the barns the persons sees are dark, so he can't make out much of anything about them aside from their general shape. Unbeknownst to this person, only one of the two objects is an actual barn. One of them is in fact just a large cardboard cutout. Epistemically (under Plato's theory of knowledge), no matter which barn this person looks at, they can say they "know" it's a barn. After all, this belief is held with justification (observation, in this case) such that no matter which barn the person looks at, it seems that they "know" that they're looking at a barn. And yet, if the person is only looking at the cardboard cutout they'd be wrong that he knew it was a barn. And yet, regardless of which one they look at, there appears to be no epistemic difference to the person that allows them to distinguish false knowledge from true knowledge if their means of justification is, unknown to them, faulty.
"Cannot be faulty" is your own straw man.
I don't claim that the information cannot be improved upon. It just hasn't been thus far. Maybe the barn is a cardboard cut out, but no one has yet been able to show that it's not a barn, and many aspects of this barn are realised, pointing to an actual barn existing.
(April 29, 2014 at 9:14 pm)Rampant.A.I. Wrote: .
Nothing to say as usual I see.
Seriously... I'm looking forward to the day that you actually come up with an idea.
(April 29, 2014 at 11:16 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(April 29, 2014 at 7:55 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: Some above moon flower. Do your worst.
It doesn't work that way, frods, and you know it.
I am not positing anything that needs to be supported, you are. My position is a response to you positing the existence of a god.
I wasn't aware that I was positing anything that needed supporting either. As an aside, could you put into words what you want me to defend?
It doesn't work that way... That I've already defended rational points in this thread? If you can't see those, then there seems to be no point in wasting my breath with more.
