RE: The free will argument demonstrates that christians don't understand free will.
May 2, 2014 at 3:12 pm
(May 2, 2014 at 12:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 2, 2014 at 9:16 am)RobbyPants Wrote: No he doesn't.Yes he does. *sticks out tongue* “So I will restore to you the years that the swarming locust has eaten,…” - Joel 2:25. On earth we suffer, but an Heaven our wounds are healed and our hurt soothed.
That verse is saying that he will restore bad things that happen... but they still happen.
Now, if your wounds are healed in heaven, then it means you're capable of an existence with these problems fixed. So, by definition, God can fix the problems...
...but he doesn't, here on earth. He lets us rape and be raped as part of some test. My point is that test is arbitrary. He doesn't have to test us. He chooses to, which is weird. Supposedly he can see the future.
(May 2, 2014 at 12:48 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(May 2, 2014 at 9:16 am)RobbyPants Wrote: You're stripping out all the bad parts of the issue so that only the good remain and then acting confused at why people have a problem with it.And you are ignoring your faulty premise. You merely assert that God could have made the world better than it already is while still providing space for humans to exercise their own volition. That need not be that case and if not your whole argument falls apart.
You already admitted that better world exists: heaven. You already said that we can have all those problems fixed. Now, either we have free will in heaven, but only do good, or we don't have free will in heaven. Either way, Christians assert that heaven is better than earth and whichever existence it is (free will but we're always good, or no free will) is by definition better.
The only conclusion here is that we only suffer because God wants us to. The test he administers is arbitrary and he has no limitation to allow us to live without suffering and evil.
