Literal belief in the flood story

[RobbyPants]

It's all still here, why would you think it went anywhere? Deeper oceans and inland seas could easily contain the water. No magic needed.

Really? The rain water carved out oceans?

A scientific flood, that's a new one. Remember you are purposing the flood was real and in doing so you can't just throw out part of the story to fit what you want.

No, I'm not throwing it out. The context of this thread was all the magic God would have had to have done to have made the flood happen as told in Genesis and for us to have the world we have today.

I'm not throwing it out; I'm saying it's magic. What I'm throwing out is your pseudoscientific hand waves to avoid the term "magic", and honestly, I don't even know why you do. You believe God created Adam from clay, Eve from a rib, and in talking snakes.

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Your time line would not allow for the 1 year and 10 days Noah was on the ark, you'll have to reconsider your time line. Also the Bible is worded just fine, the Hebrew doesn't translate into the English as well as we would like. You have to go to the Hebrew at times, I'll make this point shortly.

Verse 7 above tells us that Noah sent the raven and it went out going and returning until the water was dried up from upon the earth.
The underlined are the literal translations from the Hebrew. The raven flew every day and returned each evening until the flood waters had dried from the earth (planet).

Verse 8 in the NAS translation which is considered the most literally accurate, starts the verse with the word "then" which would mean the dove was only released after the water had dried up from the planet. Verse 8 also says that the dove was sent out to find dry land, Noah already knew the flood waters had abated the planet. The land would have been to muddy to release the animals upon, Noah wasn't a stupid man. You see I have studied the scriptures for many many years and I pay attention to the wording quite closely. I do not think you can even come close to assuming a simultaneous release.

The dove was sent out 7 days after it's first flight and returned with a fig leaf, like I said before, when a tree sprouts it doesn't take long before it starts putting on leaves. If there was a tree already growing when the dove was released the first time, why would it have had find the tree at that time. I'm not arguing the 7 day period when the dove found the leaf, I'm establishing a time line from what is written for plants having enough time to start growing without God using His powers to reboot the earth.

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No. It's very clear. On day X, the dove finds no where to rest her foot. On day X + 7, she finds an olive leaf. Seriously. It doesn't matter if X is zero or a million. The difference between the time when she finds no land and the leaf is seven days.

It's a lot like that "how many were going to St. Ives" riddle. You're focusing on all the inconsequential details when the math is listed in two consecutive verses.

I did not say olive trees start growing under water, I've plainly gave a time line to allow for the plants to get started as the water receded. You are leaving out months of time to defend your position which is not appropriate. You are the on who purposed the story to be true for the argument, now that you can't defend your position you are reverting to calling the story myth, which you can't prove either.

No. I'm saying it involved magic. You're saying it doesn't and is totally scientific, and you're both failing to understand science and failing to grasp the time line listed explicitly in Genesis.

Now your jumping on the time line I established to defend your position and you still got it wrong, Noah and the animals were on the ark for 1 year and 10 days. What makes you believe all the animals died the first day or even the first week or first month and the fish were dying all along the way. Okay city boy animals will eat an animal well actually the bone marrow months after an animal dies, marrow actually provides a lot of nutrition. I've seen animals pick up dried up fish of the bank of lakes and at them, just because these things would make your delicate stomach turn over doesn't mean it will effect the animals. I'm the one think out these things, you on the other hand are countering with unworthy ideas.

The animals would have died within the first 40 days, because that's when it was raining and the water was rising. How would the water keep rising if it weren't raining?

So, they're eating marrow, now? First it was carrion, now it's marrow?

So, the flood moves continents, carves oceans, stirs up layers of sediment messing up the fossil record and... it leaves all the carrion on top for all the animals? I swear, this flood is everything you want it to be, when you want it to be.

Rabbits, squirrels, mice, rats, snakes, lizards, raccoons, moles, beavers, do I need to continue. The fish in the rivers, lakes, ponds and shallow seas would sustain many animals. I stated this previously did you miss it.

No, you're missing the ponit!

Okay. So 2 squirrels, 2 mice, 2 deer, 2 lizards, and 2 wolves. Now, the wolves eat the squirrels. Oh, fuck! They're extinct! Now the wolves eat the mice. Oh, fuck! They're extinct! Now they eat the lizards. Oh, fuck! They're extinct. Yay, the deer managed to procreate enough so there's more than 2! Shit, the wolves have been procreating, too...

Each and every species needs to be able to weather predators. God sent the animals in pairs and didn't account for this.

No magic needed, and yes I do understand I raise and breed rottweilers, this breed was brought back from just 19 dogs and are going strong for over a hundred years. Yes they have some problems and like the corn you mentioned are being watched over by man. Now tell me how do you know how much genetic diversity was in these animals. I do not believe in evolution, I trust in the power of an omnipotent God.

19 > 2.

Also, even ignoring disease, if any single animal dies before it procreates, the species goes extinct. Animals die in the wild from all sorts of causes. Either God loses a lot of species that he had Noah take time to save, or he protects them somehow.

Who says the flood had to be totally destructive every place on earth. How is it these fragile rock formations have survived the millions of years of earth quakes you believe in.

Oh, sure. It just carved the oceans and pushed the continents at a speed thousands of times faster than normal, and preserved the rock formations. You need to think about the ramifications of your pseudoscience more.

Are you saying that the earth quakes have hit those locations? Not every place gets hit with earth quakes in the same strength or frequency. You know what fault lines are, right?