(May 9, 2014 at 1:34 am)Esquilax Wrote:But you can prove something true about existence by applying reason to experience independent of what one hopes to find.(May 9, 2014 at 1:21 am)MindForgedManacle Wrote: I don't think any of you are understanding what theists (who understand the relevant concepts) mean when they say God is necessary. What they mean is that God cannot fail to exist for some logical reason, they are not saying something like "God has to exist because I need him too!"
The latter is the subtext though, as the logical reasons they state ultimately fail, and yet are never retracted. As I've said many times, you can't logic something into existence, and if your whole position attempts to do an end run around demonstrability by just arguing why it's impossible for something to not exist, well then you're probably hiding a more personal reason for why you think this thing should exist.
Your psychological speculations about believers do not apply to all. I was an atheist but reluctantly accepted the reality of God when confronted with specific philosophical problems. Just because someone reaches a different conclusion than you does not always mean they must be delutional, weak, or stupid. Maybe they're merely wrong. And just maybe you are wrong.
