The redneck strike again.

[Confused Ape]

Sure but awareness without a fight is also meaningless.

The fight comes after awareness of what's got to be changed.

I was reading that My guess is that Atheists that had an NDE experience now they keep very
very quiet.
It is always very hard to admit that we were wrong.

I found a topic on the Thinking Atheist Forum where atheists were wondering about atheists who had an NDE. One poster had an NDE but she put it down to being caused by a dying brain and still doesn't believe in an afterlife.

Unconvinced Atheist's Post

That............ being dead past the point of no return.........doesn't make any sense.
When you got an NDE you are dead for real.
Doctors don't study and get more experience for years and years just
not to know whether a chap is dead or not.

Near-Death Experience

These phenomena are usually reported after an individual has been pronounced clinically dead or has been very close to death. With recent developments in cardiac resuscitation techniques, the number of reported NDEs has increased.[1]

Clinical Death

Clinical death is the medical term for cessation of blood circulation and breathing, the two necessary criteria to sustain human and many other organisms' lives.[1] It occurs when the heart stops beating in a regular rhythm, a condition called cardiac arrest.

Stopped blood circulation has historically proven irreversible in most cases. Prior to the invention of cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR), defibrillation, epinephrine injection, and other treatments in the 20th century, the absence of blood circulation (and vital functions related to blood circulation) was historically considered the official definition of death. With the advent of these strategies, cardiac arrest came to be called clinical death rather than simply death, to reflect the possibility of post-arrest resuscitation. For medical purposes, it is considered the final physical state before legal death.[citation needed]

At the onset of clinical death, consciousness is lost within several seconds. Measurable brain activity stops within 20 to 40 seconds.[2] Irregular gasping may occur during this early time period, and is sometimes mistaken by rescuers as a sign that CPR is not necessary.[3] During clinical death, all tissues and organs in the body steadily accumulate a type of injury called ischemic injury.

I'm now going to invent Fred X and Charlie X

1: Fred X has a heart attack in hospital which results in him being clinically dead. He gets medical treatment and is brought back to life in a couple of minutes. He reports an NDE but we can't be 100% certain that it's evidence for an afterlife.

2: Charlie X lives alone and doesn't have much of a social life. He has a fatal heart attack but nobody notices he's gone missing for three months. It doesn't matter how much medical treatment the body gets - Charlie X will never be brought back to life. This is what I meant by being dead past the point of no return. Maybe Charlie X is having a wonderful time in an afterlife but he won't be getting back into his body so he can tell everyone what he's been doing over the past three months.