RE: Rape
May 23, 2014 at 9:24 pm
(This post was last modified: May 23, 2014 at 9:37 pm by Zidneya.)
(May 23, 2014 at 8:52 am)alpha male Wrote: I think your "small concession" may be bigger than you think. IOW, rape isn't just done by "determined criminals." A lot of rape results from the incorrect idea that a drunk woman can give consent. A campaign in Canada a few years ago to combat that notion was followed by a 10% decrease in reported sexual assaults.
Actually it's the other way around. His "small concession" may be that and only that. Yeah a considerable amount of rape victims and perpetrators happen because of they consume alcohol but that's just one of the individual factors of the people involved. But that doesn't mean that is be the most popular source of problems. After all let's not forget that rape divides into:
- Anger rape
- Power rape(also known as Frustration rape)
- Sadistic rape
- Rejection rape
- Gang rape
- Serial rape
- Tension release rape
- Love triangle rape
- Drudged victim rape(also known as Black out rape)
- Fantasy of rape
- Sexual gratification rape
- An let's not forget the rape incited by the sexual abuse in childhood.
And even when many rapists direct their acts at individuals whom they already know. Pretty much all the cases of rape and robbery(where the victim gets mugged and raped) happen to unknown people.
(May 23, 2014 at 9:34 am)Napoléon Wrote: I think rape on the whole probably doesn't happen how most people imagine it. Like Esq mentioned, most of the time rape happens by people who already know each other. Not some guy lurking down a street alley. It's not as black and white like that.
I imagine most rapes happen as a result of people being too drunk to know what they're actually doing. There was an ad campaign in the UK aimed at teenagers about this very thing:
Actually what you say along with this campaign only applies to the same as alpha male said. That most cases happen because alcohol. But alcohol don't cause rape, nor is a catalyst for rape.
Alcohol only complicates more everything because alcohol make people to be more uninhibited. But that's it.
For example let's look at that video:
Let's be realistic in that video the guy can clearly plead that she encouraged him.
He can also claim that she feel attracted to him which leaves her with two options. She can either lie saying that she didn't fell attraction, or admit it and let everyone else doubt he.
Many women even when they say No that doesn't necessarily means they want to stop. It's just a automatic response towards a unexpected sexual encounter however it can't be really accurate. How many of us have been with someone who clearly says no but deep down in the bottom they really want to.
The hole best friend/girlfriend affairs were established in part because of women and men ignored their lovers when they said no.
Also if I were that girl I would start screaming like hell. Screaming is one of the most clear signs of unwanted sex. And fight back as well.
Many rapists claim that the victim indeed wanted sex because the whole time it stayed still and quite. (And in pretty much many of the cases of sexual molestation toward minors because that is the most common thing that victims do. Because in many cases the victim if it's someone who is very scared or frightened by common sense they preconceived the idea that if I start screaming or fight back my perpetrator will either hurt me or kill me)
And that scene that is shown in that particular commercial isn't a direct form of rape. It all a sum of sexual misleadings that leads to a misunderstanding along with the intoxication of alcohol. The the clearest proof that the boy is seeing what you are doing it realizes that this wrong. Alcohol only complicates more the situation but it isn't the principal source of rape. Alcohol it's the principal source of sexual misinterpretations. That also causes to doubt ones words, back up silly arguments and makes the whole testimony of both victims and perpetrators blurry. Theres a whole movie that talks about that its called "Body Shots". And even when it involves several sex stories among drunk people. The main plot it's about a couple that was so drunk that they don't even remember if he raped her or not. So all so their friends advise the both to lie in order to prevent looking like idiots in front of the judge.
I avoid all those problems by making her be on top while I caress (not grab or squeeze just a simple caress) with my hands. That way she can let go or leave if she wants to and I'm not forcing her to do anything she don't want to.
So you see theres a limit of how far moderating the consume of alcohol will help preventing rape. However it its' the source of the problem The source it's the uncontrollable sexual appetite untreated by life experiences. If you want to combat poverty and delinquency. you can give them jobs. If you want to combat the illiteracy and ignorance of people you establish schools and academic courses. If you want to combat hunger you establish food cents. But how you combat rape? The only way is to get every horny person laid and happy and that's impossible.