(May 23, 2014 at 12:20 pm)bladevalant546 Wrote: What you brought up is subjective. Pain is something that just happens and do plants feel pain? (http://www.scientificamerican.com/articl...chamovitz/) you be the judge here. There are trees that send a pheromone to other trees to warn of a predators or other dangers (http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF7/762.html). Just because plants are immobile does not make them less. This is the critical error that most vegans/vegetarians make. Their while premise is based on the inductive logic about stimuli and reactions from their environment from the position of the animal kingdom. This whole axiom is founded in a bias assumption that animals are the template which we measure all life. Plants begot animal cells billions of years ago, since that split they have taken tremendously different biological paths. Thus you need to rethink on how to define a plants role and how it interacts with its environment.
Now I say that not to challenge your philosophical view, I can understand how you despise the maltreatment of animals when they are eaten. However, do not make the bias assumption that you can justify killing of one organism over another based on animal biology. It not only comes off as short sighted, it comes off either willingly dishonest, or pure cognitive dissonance. Now I do want to make emphasis that I do not disagree with the fact that it seems "wrong" that an animal feels pain when killed. There is no doubt that there is some violence involve in killing an animal. That however is a subjective view point, me personally killing quickly is honorable.
So in conclusion plants could very well be very aware of its environment and feel threatened or even in a new definition pain. I will not force you to side with me, however when you make philosophical argument to biological mechanisms. It puts you under the microscope of science to support your assertion. I merely want you expand your mind and see that in truth the real answer is in science to find a solution not a philosophical choice that winds up being subjective.
I don't think you paid enough attention to what i said.
I said...........On the other end a carrot can not pass us this high level of cruelty.
What this means?
It means that the level of pain can not be compared to the pain that animals feel when they are killed and at the same time it does not mean that plants do not feel any pain at all.
And i also said ........If you eat a fruit then the level of cruelty is nil as you are not destroying any life.
Here once again i emphasise that fruit is the only food that is not feeling any pain when eaten so it means that plants feel some pain.
Is this a bit more clear?
