(June 4, 2014 at 2:15 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(June 4, 2014 at 1:50 am)snowtracks Wrote: get on the right side of the deal:
The bottom line is that the universe is at least ten billion orders of magnitude (a factor of 1010,000,000,000times) too small or too young for life to have assembled itself by natural processes.(i) These kinds of calculations have been done by researchers, both non-theists and theists, in a variety of disciplines.(42-58)
http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles...nt-design/
That sounds like pure BS. For one thing no one knows how large the universe is or what it is. Second, the age of the universe is just speculation. If you use your own mind and think about it you will see why it's BS.
at that site Simple to remember (Judaism online) it just lists what the natural state of earth and our universe would be if it were younger or older than it is now or if earth was closer or farther away etc.. It seems that they are attributing simple physics and logical conclusions (like our earth wouldn't be habitable if it wasn't right where it is) and think that's proof for intelligent design.
Snowtracks
you do understand that rocks that fall into a stars gravitational pull start going in circles around the star and their orbits inevitably drive them into the star, right? Obviously there's a habitable zone where all the elements are able to exist and thrive and *gasp, evolve with the right conditions. Do you believe earth is the only inhabited planet in the galaxy and beyond?
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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