RE: Hi from Logikos
May 2, 2010 at 8:29 am
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2010 at 8:36 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 25, 2010 at 9:04 am)Logikos Wrote: So are you saying that all people who believe in god(s) suffer from delusions?
Well a delusion being a false belief and God being a false belief=God being a delusion so yes.
(April 25, 2010 at 10:39 am)Logikos Wrote: So theistic belief is:
[*]idiosyncratic?
Yes in the sense that other beliefs tend to require a certain standard of evidence before they are believed. Theistic belief is an unwarranted exception (in the sense that I am yet to know of why it should be an exception and if you can explain why then please go ahead). So it is idiosyncratic in that sense.
Quote:[*]always firmly maintained?Well I don't quite get what this part means... but I do believe that having "Faith" is a very circular type of thing because it lacks evidence, it lacks basis, and yet it is used as a basis... it's hollow. And the fact that that can persist shows a kind of firm ignorance that tends to be maintained by theists.... but I would argue 'tends to' I wouldn't argue always. Theists do sometimes lose their 'faith' of course.
Quote:[*]contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or "rational argument"?
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Well I'd say yes... as I said above - theistic belief is treated as an exception and that exception is unwarranted. Whilst with any other belief a rational, certain standard of evidence is required - for theistic belief it is treated as different even though I am yet to know of why this should be treated as such.
Quote:I see, so you take "irrational" and "delusional" to be synonymous (they are clearly not). All theists are irrational and so all theists have delusions. Non sequitur.
If their beliefs are irrational then that means they are not rationally based on reality. If they are not rationally based on reality then they should be treated as false in the same sense that belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is treated as both not based on reality and false. And a false belief=a delusion.
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