(June 6, 2014 at 10:58 am)mickiel Wrote:(June 6, 2014 at 10:51 am)ThePinsir Wrote: " I do not believe atheism would exist without god, I really don't."
Oh? Why not?
" I cannot see then theism arising out of a world of atheism."
I can, quite simply actually. Theism, I'd assert, arises out of two or three things: 1) a fear of death 2) a need to explain unknown events/things (like your entire thread) 3) a means of controlling people
There may be more, and I certainly don't want to present any sort of a false dichotomy. But come one, bro (or sis, idk lol). Humans have invented like 40,000 gods - and you can't see how theism can arise on its own?
No, I can't see it. Minds completely unconscious of a god or gods, why and how would consciousness of a god emerge?
Well on second thought, if you accept that consciousness could emerge from absolute nothing, then I understand you're rationale.
What's nothingness?
How is consciousness as a beneficial trait of social animals "arising from nothing"?
If what you say I true, why do animals exhibit conscious behavior?
http://youtu.be/genaPkf99bY
Why do animals exhibit moral behavior?
http://youtu.be/GcJxRqTs5nk