(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: And if i get stuck on an island with nothing else to
eat other than seafood i certainly would eat seafood
in order to survive even if i knew that by eating
non sentient food i would be unable to carry on with
my meditation and spiritual growth to a degree.
So, humans evolved to be omnivores and not eating meat or seafood is a choice made for ethical or spiritual reasons. There's nothing wrong with that. The vegetarians and vegans who get laughed at are the ones who are so divorced from the natural world that they deny the results of evolution. When I was researching Vitamin B12, some of the vegans online were horrified by the idea of how to get B12 into their vegetables. "Eeew, animal poo!! That's disgusting!!!"
(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: but there is something that you tend to ignore.
Palm trees attract the rain with their green cover.
The roots of these trees hold the water so they prevent
floods and keep the soil moist and this soil is not washed away.
The trees in the rain forests do that as well.
(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: The poor farmers that before were almost starving now
have a way to survive.
People who have been living in the rain forest have been evicted to make way for palm plantations - Indonesia is seeing a new corporate colonialism'
Quote:Multinational companies have been encouraged to seize and deforest land owned by indigenous people, say human rights groups.
Land conflicts between farmers and plantation owners, mining companies and developers have raged across Indonesia as local and multinational companies have been encouraged to seize and then deforest customary land – land owned by indigenous people and administered in accordance with their customs. More than 600 were recorded in 2011, with 22 deaths and hundreds of injuries. The true number is probably far greater, say watchdog groups.
The Indonesian national human rights commission reported more than 5,000 human rights violations last year, mostly linked to deforestation by corporations. "Deaths of farmers caused by the increase in agrarian conflicts all across Indonesia are increasing," said Henry Saragih, founder of the Indonesian Peasant Union, which has 700,000 members.
"The presence of palm oil plantations has spawned a new poverty and is triggering a crisis of landlessness and hunger. Human rights violations keep occurring around natural resources in the country and intimidation, forced evictions and torture are common," said Saragih. "There are thousands of cases that have not surfaced. Many remain hidden, especially by local authorities," he says.
There's more because palm plantations need workers - Indonesia's Palm Oil Industry Rife With Human-Rights Abuses
Quote:The human costs of the palm oil boom, however, have been largely overlooked. A nine-month investigation of the industry, including interviews with workers at or near 12 plantations on Borneo and Sumatra—two islands that hold 96 percent of Indonesia’s palm oil operations—revealed widespread abuses of basic human rights. Among the estimated 3.7 million workers in the industry are thousands of child laborers and workers who face dangerous and abusive conditions. Debt bondage is common, and traffickers who prey on victims face few, if any, sanctions from business or government officials.
(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: All in all we loose a lot but not all is lost as oppose to
soya which is grown mainly to feed cattle for meat eating people.
Now you may think that i am in favor of palm plantation.
No, i am not at all, i only point out that not all is lost and that
soya grown for feeding cattle is much much worse than palm oil.
Soybean
Quote:The plant is classed as an oilseed rather than a pulse by the UN Food and Agricultural Organization (FAO).Soybean -Other Products
The oil is used in many industrial applications.
Quote:Soybeans are also used in industrial products, including oils, soap, cosmetics, resins, plastics, inks, crayons, solvents, and clothing. Soybean oil is the primary source of biodiesel in the United States, accounting for 80% of domestic biodiesel production.[103] Soybeans have also been used since 2001 as fermenting stock in the manufacture of a brand of vodka.[104] In 1936, Ford Motor Company developed a method where soybeans and fibers were rolled together producing a soup which was then pressed into various parts for their cars, from the distributor cap to knobs on the dash board. Ford also informed in public relation releases that in 1935 over five million acres (20,000 km2) was dedicated to growing soybeans in the United States.[105]
Is cattle feed the main reason for growing soybeans or is cheap feed for cattle just a by product because not enough humans eat soymeal and other soy food products? Would the world going vegetarian end soybean growing? What about corn?
Corn - Agricultural Marketing Research Center
Quote:U.S. corn production is used for livestock feed (37%), food products (11%) and ethanol production (40%). Use as livestock feed totaled 4.6 billion bushels in 2011, while 5 billion bushels were used to produce ethanol. However, one of the by-products of ethanol production is distillers grains, which are subsequently used as livestock feed.
The remaining uses of corn include seed production, other industrial uses and exports.
Ethanol Fuel
Quote:Ethanol fuel is ethanol (ethyl alcohol), the same type of alcohol found in alcoholic beverages. It is most often used as a motor fuel, mainly as a biofuel additive for gasoline. World ethanol production for transport fuel tripled between 2000 and 2007 from 17 billion to more than 52 billion liters. From 2007 to 2008, the share of ethanol in global gasoline type fuel use increased from 3.7% to 5.4%.[1] In 2011 worldwide ethanol fuel production reached 22.36 billion U.S. liquid gallons (bg) (84.6 billion liters), with the United States as the top producer with 13.9 bg (52.6 billion liters), accounting for 62.2% of global production, followed by Brazil with 5.6 bg (21.1 billion liters).[2] Ethanol fuel has a "gasoline gallon equivalency" (GGE) value of 1.5 US gallons (5.7 L), which means 1.5 gallons of ethanol produces the energy of one gallon of gasoline.[3]
Bioethanol is a form of quasi-renewable energy that can be produced from agricultural feedstocks. It can be made from very common crops such as sugar cane, potato, cassava and corn. There has been considerable debate about how useful bioethanol is in replacing gasoline. Concerns about its production and use relate to increased food prices due to the large amount of arable land required for crops,[11] as well as the energy and pollution balance of the whole cycle of ethanol production, especially from corn.[12][13] Recent developments with cellulosic ethanol production and commercialization may allay some of these concerns.[14]
Some of the other industrial uses of corn.
Quote:Some industrial uses of corn include filler for plastics, packing materials, insulating materials, adhesives, chemicals, explosives, paint, paste, abrasives, dyes, insecticides, pharmaceuticals, organic acids, solvents, rayon, antifreeze, soaps, and many more.
This is no excuse for putting animals in factory farms where they exist in misery, of course, so we can still be vegetarians for ethical and spiritual reasons. Everyone going vegetarian would cut down corn growing by 37% at the moment but the saving could soon be lost by increased production for ethanol.
(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: Genetic mutation happen all the time that is why i fight to
mutate towards infinity rather than animality as denialists do.
The way we're wrecking the planet, there won't be any healthy bodies available for next time round, all supposing reincarnation is true, of course.
(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: This is a very interesting topic Ape.
I'm enjoying it because it's giving me reasons to research a lot of information.
(June 8, 2014 at 8:01 am)Riketto Wrote: Everything in this universe is moving.
Nothing stay the same so you go up or you go down
loosing all the past gains if you go down.
If we humans cause our own extinction you'll be obliged to come back as a life form which might survive a devastated planet. How do you fancy being a rat or a cockroach.




