70th Anniversary of D-Day

[Brian37]

Yes I am a loud mouth, and?

I am with you in that war is hell, but you stupidly for some reason think life can be a utopia. If you had just left it at "war is hell" you would have been fine with me.

The reason you think that way is because you buy into the concept that morality is pulled out of a book and being part of a club is a requirement to be moral. The truth is morality is a result of our constantly changing evolution and any good or any bad humans do is a result of that and none of us are above evolution because of the clubs or labels we choose.

"We tried to spare lives". Yep and we imprisoned innocent Japanese and German citizens in WW2 as well. Not including our prior history of slavery and genocide of Native Americans. And even today we have religious people trying to control women's bodies and deny rights to gays.

Point being as soon as you think you are above human behavior and above evolution, THAT is the point you repeat the horrors of the past.

Just leave it at "War is hell", ok?

I'm not going to argue with you, my beliefs are different than yours and if you can't handle that you could be in the wrong place. This thread is about those who served and died for our right to have discussions here, we should honor them without making some kind of agenda out of it, okay.

GC

No one but you has an agenda. You tried to paint a rosy picture as to taking the "moral high ground" by claiming we did our best to limit civilian death. No we did not. We did what we had to do, and I am glad we did, and the people who defeated Japan and Germany were brave in what they did. But it was messy and ugly and hardly perfect the way you want to paint it.

WW2 should not be treated like a Norman Rockwell painting. War is hell and that is where you should leave it.

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Now in all seriousness all kidding aside. I said what I said for a reason. When you say "we tried to limit civilian death" that is not true for the entire 4 year war. AND especially not for Hiroshima or Nagasaki. You not only insult the living ancestors of those two cities by saying that, you insult the the scientists who worked on the Manhattan project who were horrified at their creation knowing what it was going to be used for. And even some of the pilots on that plane were horrified knowing what they had done.

It is the willingness to accept what you are about to do you hate doing knowing you are going to hurt a fellow human being. That is humility, not glossing over reality pretending we can be or are perfect in what we do in war.

Like I said, leave it at war is hell and I have no problem. But don't gloss over history in the process.