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70th Anniversary of D-Day
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RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day
I just watched a documentary on the invasion including letters from all aspects of the war, military and civilian. French civilians wrote about the carpet bombing of the allies that killed civilians. They hated it of course, but they also understood that they did not want to live under fascist rule of the brutal Nazis. War is messy and never perfect, and we should never gloss it over. It sucks that our species has yet to learn peaceful problem solving. But if we are to advance to more peaceful problem solving globally, we should never gloss over human death in war. We need to understand as a species that death is death and violence is never pretty, no matter the reason we use it.

(June 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Hitler was basically stupid for starting the war when he did. He thought that he was in 1914 instead of 1938. He didn't have a navy or an air force. All he had was an army, which was too small to control Europe and Russia. He didn't have the ability to invade and occupy the British Isles, which is just a few miles from France. His logistics sucked and he couldn't defend Germany from counter-attack. He should have waited until the 1950s or 1960s until he had the proper weapon systems. If he had had a better political doctrine he could have achieved his objectives through political means.

He lost the war when he fired the first shot.

Regardless of Hitler being ultimately responsible, there still is a societal psychology that allowed him to gain power. And in human history our species still suffers from it. Germany got it's ass handed to it in WW1. We left them to rot. Well evolution always dictates that when you lack resources you will get to the point of fighting to get them. Hitler unfortunately sold Germany the a utopia where they would gain their dignity back and Germany would not be the embarrassing poverty stricken country it became. But, conversely, you look at both Japan and Germany after WW2 the allies finally did the right thing.

It really isn't that different in other contexts, like domestic crime, and the existence of gangs. You take away economic stability, the means to earn a living, humans will always seek survival. It is why in Africa today, the countries with high poverty rates are run by religious warlords and the rest of the populations of those countries follow the their tribal leaders who set up a gang system at a political level.

Starve any population enough and or create dependency through the sell of utopias, and you will have ready made lemmings ready to die for you. The same scare tactics are used by the right in America. The voting right in the middle class and working poor are convinced that the enemy is the left, and not the bad economics created by class warfare drummed up by the 1%.
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70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 5, 2014 at 5:40 am
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RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Brian37 - June 7, 2014 at 11:54 am
RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Godschild - June 7, 2014 at 5:44 pm
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RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Brian37 - June 8, 2014 at 9:43 am
RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Godschild - June 8, 2014 at 7:04 pm
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RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Chas - June 11, 2014 at 6:08 pm
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RE: 70th Anniversary of D-Day - by Wyrd of Gawd - June 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm
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