(June 12, 2014 at 10:05 am)Cato Wrote:(June 12, 2014 at 9:28 am)Irrational Wrote: What about ADHD, autism, conduct disorder, and several other developmental disorders that are not due to parenting faults?
The debate is still ongoing among developmentalists as to how much parenting plays a role in how their children turn out compared to genetics.
By the way, the nature/nurture debate has pretty mch been settled these days. It's no longer a vs. thing, rather it's often a combination of both. The current debate among experts is more on the degree of influence from each.
The nature vs. nurture debate has rarely ever been proposed as an either/or scenario and those that do make this proposition aren't taken seriously. Generally speaking, the nature vs. nurture debate almost exclusively deals with flushing out which is more dominant. Invoking an either/or proposition to score a cheap point is ridiculous and a straw man argument.
You can also drop in as many disorders as you like into the discussion. Keep in mind that the term disorder presupposes what is deemed normal, the concept that seems to have your panties twisted. Thumpalumpacus also explained that the references were general and not technical, relying on a charitable reading and understanding of what is meant by normal. The fact that you continued to nitpick the meaning of well known terms in general use suggests you are intentionally being a pain in the ass rather than wanting to participate in the discussion.
You are of course free to continue to state your case; however, I will be compelled to conclude that you don't know the meaning of 'normal' or 'average set'. Is this your goal here?
No need to be touchy. It has not been established that, in general, children are difficult because of their parents.
Remember that Thumpalumpacus was quoting another member complaining about children being troublesome. Antisocial children are just a small subset of these troublesome children anyway.
And even if it is a small percentage of children that are temperamentally difficult, a logical error is being committed by concluding that, therefore, it must be a big enough percentage that parents cause their children to be difficult or "fucked up". Maybe it's also a small percentage, thereby not constituting what you are referring to as "average" or "general".
