Disproof Atheism Society

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x is most probably true so I believe x
x is most probably false so so I don't believe x.
x is unknown or highly uncertain so I choose to either feel comfortable not knowing or to investigate x.

Yeah. These are tautologies which is more or less my point. For someone to say "x is true and I believe x is true" is meaningfully the same as "x is true." It's a tautology.

The opposite of a tautology is a self contradiction which is what "x is true but I don't believe x" and the like are.

The leap of faith idea -- that you can just "will" to believe something is incoherent to me.

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This weird physical/philosophical distinction isn't necessary.

If you don't know whether something is true or false, you have a belief about it with a truth value of unknown. You can't then say that you "believe it is true" or "believe it is false" because you already believe it is unknown. You'd have a contradictory belief. You're saying x is true and x is unknown.

It is necessary in fairness.

What I think fr0d0 is saying is that although you cannot prove x by physical means, you can come to a conclusion about it being true or not by other means. This obviously requires belief in some form, I don't agree with it, and you're right, it doesn't make it any less ludicrous, but with many of the religious their ideas of truth and knowledge are very different to most rational people.

Oh, if that's the case, fr0d0 thinks I require empirical evidence. That's not what I'm saying is required at all. At the most basic level, I'm saying you need a "reason." A "reason" is just whatever you feel satisfies the question "why?" Whether the reason is good or not is another matter.