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The fall of post invasion Iraq
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RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq
(June 24, 2014 at 5:28 pm)Chuck Wrote: I personally think this recent episode in Iraq, while embarrassing for us, is not only not dangerous to our core interests, it is not even really that dangerous to the regime we left behind in Iraq.

I personally think ISIS is a stupid mob with bazookas that has far overplayed its own hand. It won't need to be defeated by the feeble and cowardly Iraqi forces. It would collapse under the weight because as a jihadist organization it should not have attempt to control large territory or population while fighting established civil administrations. ISIS is trying to do just that. A jihadist organization derive its strength from popular discontent with civil administration. Once a jihadist organization starts to over reach and try to become a civil administration in control of large territory, it would need to feed the people, run the public services, etc, better then the administration it fought against. Otherwise popular discontent will simply transfer from the enemies of the jihadists to the jihadists themselves,many the jihadist movement will collapse. Jihadist organizations such as ISIS are hardly the type that would attract intellectuals, skilled technocrats, and other elements of society needed to out perform iraq's civil administration. ISIS will soon start to collapse in on itself even as it tries to make further advances upon the Iraqi administration.

I agree with much of what you've written, and hope you're right about the parts with which I take issue. In partuicular, your points about the uncertain transition from army to government which has done in many movements. It should be noted that while they may not be particularly competent at governance, ISIS does have a hell of a lot of money, and that can go a ways to make up for inexperience.

Additionally,I think a stable oil market is a pretty important interest not only to America but also to our most important trading partners, in the sense that energy prices redound throughout the world's economy, and we still haven't recovered from 08. We are very vulnerable; the Japanese are as well; the Chinese and Indians, less so, but still somewhat open to harm. The nascent recovery we have underway here in America would likely suffer a serious, if not fatal, blow, from a large spike in oil futures.

I still think it's better for us to stay clear of further ME entanglements, and let the Europeans and Chinese secure their oil themselves.

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The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Fidel_Castronaut - June 12, 2014 at 5:08 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Cato - June 12, 2014 at 8:25 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Vox - June 12, 2014 at 11:53 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by DeistPaladin - July 24, 2014 at 2:55 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 12, 2014 at 12:05 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Autumnlicious - June 12, 2014 at 12:09 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 12, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by vorlon13 - June 12, 2014 at 1:12 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 12, 2014 at 3:13 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 12, 2014 at 3:32 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by A Theist - June 13, 2014 at 7:56 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 13, 2014 at 9:07 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by A Theist - June 13, 2014 at 9:26 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Ryantology - June 14, 2014 at 12:19 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 14, 2014 at 12:36 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 16, 2014 at 9:40 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - June 16, 2014 at 10:11 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 16, 2014 at 10:14 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Tonus - June 17, 2014 at 2:49 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - June 17, 2014 at 9:11 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by DeistPaladin - July 24, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 11:39 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 13, 2014 at 12:21 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 13, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Raeven - June 13, 2014 at 2:13 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by downbeatplumb - June 13, 2014 at 12:47 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 13, 2014 at 12:55 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Autumnlicious - June 13, 2014 at 12:56 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 13, 2014 at 2:56 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 13, 2014 at 3:27 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 4:39 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 13, 2014 at 5:01 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 5:10 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Raeven - June 13, 2014 at 6:12 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 6:18 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 7:11 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 10:18 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Jackalope - June 13, 2014 at 10:33 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 14, 2014 at 12:01 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Mudhammam - June 13, 2014 at 10:39 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 13, 2014 at 11:51 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - June 14, 2014 at 8:32 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 14, 2014 at 12:58 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 14, 2014 at 1:11 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 14, 2014 at 2:01 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 14, 2014 at 2:39 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - June 16, 2014 at 9:29 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 16, 2014 at 11:01 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 14, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 16, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 16, 2014 at 9:49 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 16, 2014 at 10:23 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 16, 2014 at 10:38 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 16, 2014 at 10:45 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 16, 2014 at 11:05 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 17, 2014 at 12:37 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Crossless1 - June 17, 2014 at 1:40 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 17, 2014 at 1:49 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 17, 2014 at 2:53 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 17, 2014 at 3:09 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2014 at 3:36 pm
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RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Creed of Heresy - June 18, 2014 at 12:07 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 4, 2014 at 7:36 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Ryantology - June 18, 2014 at 6:14 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 17, 2014 at 4:21 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 17, 2014 at 4:27 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Jackalope - June 17, 2014 at 4:41 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 17, 2014 at 4:53 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Jackalope - June 17, 2014 at 5:32 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 17, 2014 at 6:04 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 17, 2014 at 8:30 pm
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RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 18, 2014 at 12:14 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 18, 2014 at 12:51 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 18, 2014 at 1:18 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Mudhammam - June 18, 2014 at 5:17 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 18, 2014 at 10:57 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 18, 2014 at 8:36 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Mudhammam - June 18, 2014 at 8:38 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - June 24, 2014 at 4:24 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 18, 2014 at 8:39 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 24, 2014 at 1:28 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 24, 2014 at 3:22 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 24, 2014 at 3:59 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - June 24, 2014 at 5:28 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - June 24, 2014 at 6:34 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 24, 2014 at 6:09 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Dragonetti - June 24, 2014 at 6:29 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 24, 2014 at 7:44 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Heywood - June 25, 2014 at 10:05 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Crossless1 - July 24, 2014 at 2:40 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - July 24, 2014 at 2:57 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - June 25, 2014 at 12:02 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - July 24, 2014 at 2:30 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - July 24, 2014 at 2:58 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - July 24, 2014 at 3:02 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by StealthySkeptic - July 29, 2014 at 11:36 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Diablo - August 2, 2014 at 7:21 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Zack - August 2, 2014 at 8:21 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - August 2, 2014 at 8:30 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 2, 2014 at 8:35 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - August 2, 2014 at 9:30 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Zack - August 2, 2014 at 8:55 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 7, 2014 at 12:17 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by The Grand Nudger - August 7, 2014 at 12:23 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Cato - August 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - August 7, 2014 at 12:43 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Cato - August 7, 2014 at 1:24 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by DeistPaladin - August 7, 2014 at 1:20 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 7, 2014 at 2:17 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by ccapehart1980 - August 10, 2014 at 6:44 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Zack - August 10, 2014 at 8:07 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 11, 2014 at 2:24 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - August 13, 2014 at 4:33 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 13, 2014 at 4:55 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Polaris - August 13, 2014 at 11:52 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by DeistPaladin - August 14, 2014 at 8:20 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Anomalocaris - August 14, 2014 at 10:19 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Polaris - August 14, 2014 at 7:51 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by DeistPaladin - August 15, 2014 at 10:51 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Fidel_Castronaut - August 14, 2014 at 8:55 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Thumpalumpacus - August 14, 2014 at 11:10 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 15, 2014 at 1:12 am
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Polaris - August 15, 2014 at 7:47 pm
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RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 16, 2014 at 1:37 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Polaris - August 16, 2014 at 1:51 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 22, 2014 at 1:30 am
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RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - August 25, 2014 at 3:06 pm
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RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Polaris - August 25, 2014 at 8:42 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Minimalist - September 1, 2014 at 11:19 pm
RE: The fall of post invasion Iraq - by Polaris - September 2, 2014 at 10:33 pm

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