(July 1, 2014 at 6:54 pm)bennyboy Wrote:(July 1, 2014 at 3:02 pm)blackout94 Wrote: The difference is you can't eat the child rapist since cannibalism is illegal, you can eat the cow so there goes a big difference. If you support capital punishment or not, that's up to your ideas, but the reason both get killed are difference, cows are killed for feeding and utility, humans are killed as a last resource because they are dangerous to society. You make a big mistake in your argue, you are justifying animals protection by comparing them to humans, it's ok to justify both pulling the trigger on the rapist and not pulling it on the cow, but do it trough sustainable arguments and not trough comparing humans (as rational animals) with other species, since there is a huge difference between us and them, starting with our intelligence and reason, skills and the fact humans are the only animal that cannot survive in the wild if left alone (you'll notice all newborns from animals possess basic survival skills)I'm not comparing animals to humans. I'm saying there's no magi-special quality about humans that makes them more deserving of moral consideration than other animals. In fact, the idea that humans are morally unique is a Biblical idea-- God put all the animals here and placed Mankind over all.
The cases you've listed-- intelligence and survival-- are irrelevant. Who cares if a baby can survive on its own? I'm talking about killing criminals. As for intelligence-- so what? Can we establish an IQ line by which a human should or shouldn't be protected? Are we free to kill severely retarded people?
Your argument has been used with people-- specifically that white people are intrinsically better than others because _______ (they have souls, they are more intelligent, might makes right, etc.) We do not accept this magi-special uniqueness of white people, because it's clearly defined by the party in power for them to justify acts that benefit them.
How confident are you that we aren't just abusing moral definitions because including animals in our moral treatment would be inconvenient?
Inconvenient and impossible. Most people treat animals with morals. If I have a pet I will treat it well with love. But why do you think murder only encompasses killing another human being and not an animal? Why do you think there are Human Rights but no animal rights (It is a myth that animals have rights, to have a right you need to have duties, since animals are irrational they can't possess rights or duties because they act mostly based on instinct. What we call 'rights' for animals is actually protection using the correct terminology)?
I am not here defending race superiority, please don't put such words in my mouth again. It would be impossible to treat animals equally to humans, not only because animals are not humans but because we need them for food, clothes and other purposes.
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