RE: Organic food?
July 9, 2014 at 9:33 am
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 10:17 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
Please use the quotation function - it's there for a reason.
Irrelevant, unresponsive, aggressive for no reason. Ignored. You also haven't posted any facts aside a couple of excerpts from spokespeople from whatever bodies (presumably) in the US.
I can only assume that because you have decided to attack me rather than reply to my points you have nothing to say. Figures
Your initial, conspiracy-esqe post (earlier in this thread) could accurately be described as a diatribe. Your insinuation were that 'studies' were in cahoots with, well, 'someone'/'something' linked to farming/food production industry. Citation needed.
Utter tosh. It is indeed a false association to link two completely unassociated topics such as smoking and food production and draw the conclusions that you have done so. your response of association via 'human health' has been met repeatedly on this thread with the response that there is no study that conclusive shows that organic food(s) have an overarching beneficial effect beyond supposed 'non-organic' food. this is something you've failed to respond to.
Un-responsive. Ignored.
Actually I did. you just didn't read it...or respond to it. So, again, un-responsive, ignored.
Well thank you for that informative and well thought through lesson.
Incidentally, as an aside, there does appear to be some peripheral evidence that livestock fed on 'organic' food show a decreased level of gram negative bacteria when kept & slaughtered. However, there appears to be no research that concludes of health benefits for humans:
Magkos, F. et al (2003) "Organic food: nutritious food or food for thought? A review of the evidence", International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition, 54 (4), pp. 357-371
Magkos, F. et al (2006) "Organic food: Buying More Safety or Just Peace of Mind? A Critical review of the literature", Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, 46 (1), pp. 23-56
Almost every article I've perused through scholar, Cam. Uni press , SAGE and Wiley seem to agree that the body of evidence is not well established and, equally, that any conclusion drawn that organic food is inherently healthier is premature in light of this lack of evidence.
(July 9, 2014 at 8:44 am)JesusHMuhammad Wrote: I think the problem here is your poor understanding of the English language.
You may want to look up the words you are misusing. Again, I'll stick to facts (which you seem to not care about).
Irrelevant, unresponsive, aggressive for no reason. Ignored. You also haven't posted any facts aside a couple of excerpts from spokespeople from whatever bodies (presumably) in the US.
I can only assume that because you have decided to attack me rather than reply to my points you have nothing to say. Figures

(July 9, 2014 at 8:44 am)JesusHMuhammad Wrote: diatribe: a forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.
When was I being forceful or bitter? (besides right now?)
Your initial, conspiracy-esqe post (earlier in this thread) could accurately be described as a diatribe. Your insinuation were that 'studies' were in cahoots with, well, 'someone'/'something' linked to farming/food production industry. Citation needed.
(July 9, 2014 at 8:44 am)JesusHMuhammad Wrote: irrelevant: not connected with or relevant to something.
I simply used two examples related to human health to talk about another human health issue. How is that not relevant? We are talking about the health of the human body.
association fallacy: a red herring which asserts that qualities of one thing are inherently qualities of another, merely by an irrelevant association.
I picked these two examples based on human health and the fact that in both cases, the interest in big business does not align with the interest of human health. The point was to give other examples of misalignment in the context of human health.
Utter tosh. It is indeed a false association to link two completely unassociated topics such as smoking and food production and draw the conclusions that you have done so. your response of association via 'human health' has been met repeatedly on this thread with the response that there is no study that conclusive shows that organic food(s) have an overarching beneficial effect beyond supposed 'non-organic' food. this is something you've failed to respond to.
(July 9, 2014 at 8:44 am)JesusHMuhammad Wrote: non-sequitur: an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises
Since you weren't able to comprehend the basic premise of my argument, it makes little sense to explain to you.
Un-responsive. Ignored.
(July 9, 2014 at 8:44 am)JesusHMuhammad Wrote: false dichotomy: a type of informal fallacy that involves a situation in which limited alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option.
Again, you offer NO other alternatives than the ones I proposed. That means this is a regular old fashioned dichotomy.
Actually I did. you just didn't read it...or respond to it. So, again, un-responsive, ignored.
(July 9, 2014 at 8:44 am)JesusHMuhammad Wrote:
Well thank you for that informative and well thought through lesson.
Incidentally, as an aside, there does appear to be some peripheral evidence that livestock fed on 'organic' food show a decreased level of gram negative bacteria when kept & slaughtered. However, there appears to be no research that concludes of health benefits for humans:
Magkos, F. et al (2003) "Organic food: nutritious food or food for thought? A review of the evidence", International Journal of Food Sciences and Nutrition, 54 (4), pp. 357-371
Magkos, F. et al (2006) "Organic food: Buying More Safety or Just Peace of Mind? A Critical review of the literature", Critical Reviews in Food Science and Nutrition, 46 (1), pp. 23-56
Almost every article I've perused through scholar, Cam. Uni press , SAGE and Wiley seem to agree that the body of evidence is not well established and, equally, that any conclusion drawn that organic food is inherently healthier is premature in light of this lack of evidence.