RE: The You Can't Make This Shit Up Department
July 9, 2014 at 5:01 pm
(This post was last modified: July 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm by Anomalocaris.)
(July 9, 2014 at 3:38 pm)alpha male Wrote:(July 9, 2014 at 3:12 pm)Blackout Wrote: Because fascism can't exist without taking away your rights, in fascism your rights are submitted to the well being of the national and you lose individual liberties,Er, you've been arguing that individual liberties, such as freedom of speech and association, be taken away for the well being of the democratic society. You're pretty much saying, we can't let people talk about fascism, because fascism won't let people talk freely.
ETA: I see that CD beat me to it.
I believe he is saying "we can't let people talk about fascism, because fascism will impose far more limits on people's ability to talk freely than we've been forced to impose in the effort to keep fascism from reemerging as a major political force.
Democracy is not an absolute, nor is it a suicide pact. Democracy unto death has died many times in the past, most notably in Germany in 1933. Democracy will most certainty need to be from time to time as undemocratic as it takes to prevent the asecendancy of any even greater undemocracy.
There is a great difference between being vigilant to prevent some people, such as some national security and anti-terrorism opportunists, from using this evident sometime necessity as a false flag to impose undemocracy on their own schedule for the aggrandizement of their own political agenda on the one hand, and not recognizing that odius as it is, democracy sometimes really would need to be undemocratic in order to prevent the emergence of even greater undemocracy, on the other.