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The Long and the Short of it.
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RE: The Long and the Short of it.
Thanks everyone. As I suspected, I pretty much agree with all the reason not to believe that atheists have expressed in this thread. Also, as expected, I find the reasons to believe (that theists have expressed) to be lacking in logic and rational thought. No surprises here for any one, I'd imagine.

None of it really answers the question of why we hold to different beliefs, though... you know? A good friend of mine in real life (a believer) and I were talking about this and I told him that it seems to me that believers want to believe that god is real, so they will reinterpret what they can to fit that belief and ignore what they can't reinterpret by claiming that we 'cannot understand god' or that 'god has a plan and works in mysterious ways' or some such.

He said that it seems the other way around to him. Atheists do not want god to be real and reinterpret... etc.

I disagree with him. It's not that I don't want god to be real, so much as I simply do not believe that god is real. I think it's amazing that we come to such completely different conclusions based upon the same information. Are we just wired differently? One wouldn't think so. Why do some believe and others do not? It baffles me. And, from my atheistic perspective, it baffles me that anyone can believe that god is real.

Even though some of the theists have given their personal reasons for believing, I am not satisfied. They do not seem like legitimate reasons to me. Perhaps more detail is needed after all. Godschild and Watson both invoked 'personal experience of god', but neither of them described what those experiences are/were. What has happened in your life that reaffirms your belief in god? I am truly curious, because I suspect that the same (or similar) experiences may have happened to me, but that I have interpreted them differently.
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The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 15, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 15, 2010 at 11:32 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Shell B - May 15, 2010 at 4:54 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Zen Badger - May 15, 2010 at 8:32 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by KichigaiNeko - May 15, 2010 at 10:47 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by KichigaiNeko - May 15, 2010 at 11:06 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by padraic - May 15, 2010 at 11:56 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 12:44 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godschild - May 16, 2010 at 12:58 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 16, 2010 at 1:34 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by KichigaiNeko - May 16, 2010 at 2:39 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tackattack - May 16, 2010 at 4:09 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Welsh cake - May 16, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 16, 2010 at 10:47 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 16, 2010 at 11:03 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by downbeatplumb - May 16, 2010 at 12:12 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 16, 2010 at 11:18 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 16, 2010 at 1:33 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 1:47 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 2:00 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Ace Otana - May 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 2:16 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 16, 2010 at 2:24 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 2:31 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 2:50 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 3:40 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 4:00 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 16, 2010 at 4:40 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 16, 2010 at 4:45 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 4:49 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godschild - May 16, 2010 at 6:58 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 8:41 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 16, 2010 at 9:49 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 9:54 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 10:01 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 17, 2010 at 1:37 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 17, 2010 at 3:36 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 17, 2010 at 9:55 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 17, 2010 at 8:22 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godschild - May 17, 2010 at 11:16 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 17, 2010 at 10:58 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by John_S3V - May 17, 2010 at 12:11 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 17, 2010 at 11:17 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 17, 2010 at 11:31 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 17, 2010 at 11:33 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 17, 2010 at 12:27 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by John_S3V - May 17, 2010 at 12:34 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 17, 2010 at 8:23 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by padraic - May 17, 2010 at 11:30 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 17, 2010 at 11:38 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Caecilian - May 18, 2010 at 3:44 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by padraic - May 18, 2010 at 3:18 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 18, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 12:01 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 18, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 18, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 18, 2010 at 4:15 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by bozo - May 18, 2010 at 4:11 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 18, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 18, 2010 at 8:19 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2010 at 4:44 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 19, 2010 at 9:16 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 19, 2010 at 1:27 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 18, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 18, 2010 at 7:02 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Caecilian - May 18, 2010 at 7:23 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 7:06 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 7:28 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Caecilian - May 18, 2010 at 7:38 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 8:24 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 8:37 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tackattack - May 19, 2010 at 10:59 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 19, 2010 at 11:02 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 19, 2010 at 1:33 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tackattack - May 20, 2010 at 5:36 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 7:56 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Tiberius - July 23, 2010 at 8:41 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - July 23, 2010 at 10:04 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2010 at 1:01 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2010 at 8:12 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - July 23, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - July 23, 2010 at 9:00 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 9:40 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - July 23, 2010 at 9:47 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - July 23, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 4:38 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2010 at 4:42 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - July 23, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2010 at 10:36 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Ace Otana - July 26, 2010 at 6:19 pm

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