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The Long and the Short of it.
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RE: The Long and the Short of it.
(May 16, 2010 at 1:47 pm)Watson Wrote: This is for you, Paul, on the subject of personal experience and the Bible. Smile

1. The lessons in the Bible are ones that can also be learned and believed by examining the real world, adding to the amount of personal evidence I talked about earlier.
2. I learned these lessons on my own after I began to re-evaluate my world view and found them to hold true to what human nature is.
3. I had an experience in which I found what I now believe was what is known as the 'Holy Spirit' inside myself for guidance and strength.
4. I have since had further experiences which I can only attribute to God and the Holy Spirit, as I have learned how to understand what that means.
5. No atheist argument or perspective has been able to satisfyingly explain or attribute these events to anything else other than God.

Thanks, Watson. As you are well aware, I could give you counter arguments to each of those reasons, because I have the 'atheist perspective'. I will not waste your time doing so, in deference to number 5. I do appreciate that these are your reasons for believing, whether I hold those same views or not. That difference in conclusions is the thing that has me baffled. What makes you and fr0d0 believe it, while I (and those like me) do not? What is the difference that causes that to happen?
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The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 15, 2010 at 10:12 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 12:44 am
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