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The Long and the Short of it.
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RE: The Long and the Short of it.
@John_S3V: That is all a very good description of agnostic views... and I agree that we cannot know any of those things at this juncture, or if we ever will know them. I'm not talking about 'knowing', though. I'm talking about belief or the lack thereof. I do not 'know' if there is a god or not, but I do not 'believe' that there is. I'll go so far as to say that I 'believe' that there is not. Believing does not mean the same as knowing.

In general (there will always be exceptions), people... as a group... either believe that there is a god... or they do not. An agnostic atheist does not. He doesn't claim to know for sure, but the word atheist means he does not believe that god exists. At least that what it would seem to mean to me. Something happens that causes one to cross the line from belief to non-belief (or vice-versa). One thing makes that happen and I suspect that it is explainable scientifically.
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The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 15, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 15, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 15, 2010 at 11:32 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by KichigaiNeko - May 15, 2010 at 11:06 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Welsh cake - May 16, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 16, 2010 at 10:47 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 16, 2010 at 4:37 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 17, 2010 at 9:55 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 18, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 12:01 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by fr0d0 - May 18, 2010 at 3:12 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 18, 2010 at 6:31 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Minimalist - May 18, 2010 at 8:19 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 6:36 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - May 18, 2010 at 6:40 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Watson - May 18, 2010 at 6:55 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - May 19, 2010 at 1:33 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2010 at 1:01 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 23, 2010 at 8:12 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - July 23, 2010 at 8:31 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 8:53 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - July 23, 2010 at 9:00 am
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Paul the Human - July 23, 2010 at 9:47 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 12:51 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - July 23, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 4:38 pm
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RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by tavarish - July 23, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Godhead - July 23, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Edwardo Piet - July 26, 2010 at 10:36 am
RE: The Long and the Short of it. - by Ace Otana - July 26, 2010 at 6:19 pm

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