Spare the rod, spoil the child

[Jacob(smooth)]

This!

And there's the rub.

So let me get this straight. You're saying that whether or not a kid needs spanked, is their fault????

Um... no, thats not what he said at all.

Maybe in your income bracket kind sir, but not in mine.

I have literally no idea what you mean by this!

Luckie, you said
That's exactly what I am talking about! What you're talking about is wrong. No doubt, and no argument. If you're using objects or leaving bruises you're harming the child. We're on the same page there I think. But some people on this thread are talking about ALL physical punishment in the same way. That's my point! It's not a black and white issue.

Let me re-iterate this since y'all seem to be getting heated. Conditional spanking and corporal punishment with spanking is not the same thing and is differentiated in the studies.

That's exactly what I've been trying to communicate.

My point is this: I don't fucking trust people in general to be their own arbiters of justice when it comes to dealing out physical assault on helpless children. A small population of spankers can seem to handle using it as an effective tool, but a majority cannot. Its a social problem.

I can respect that as a view.