(August 7, 2014 at 7:48 am)Rhythm Wrote:Quote:It you want to debate this then get yourself informed. The conflict didn't start yesterday, there is a 2000-year history behind. If you can't handle that then stay out of the discussion.Um.......Israel hasn't existed that long.
Get your facts straightened out. Israel was a kingdom way before the the Greek empire and the Roman empire.
Quote:Further, those involved are not necessarily "natives" in the sense that palestinians are
The vast majority of Palestinians that influxed the region in the 19th century were Arabs that came from Saudi Arabia. In that same period, there was also an influx of European Jews. So the whole debate of who is a native is quite irrelevant.
Quote: That the palestinians find themselves the brunt of the thing is no reflection upon themselves entirely, and no amount of handwashing is going to change that.
The Palestinians declared war in 1948, that's a fact. That they have continue this war since then, that's a fact. That they have sworn the destruction of the state of Israel, that's a fact. That they either tacitly approve or even enable Hamas to carry its attack on Israel, that's a fact.
Quote:That the palestinians have to step to the table if they want things to change is also beyond arguing - but it cuts both ways.
Wrong, when you declare a war and lose out, you do not determine the terms of the peace treaty.
Quote:Yes, cease-fires and peace agreements give militant groups time to re-arm, but nobody ever said peace was easy, and we all have to decide how much risk we are willing to entertain in the short term for a long term gain (in this their actions and justifications are no different from anyone elses)
There can't be peace when your enemy openly declares his intent to destroy you.
Quote:- we didn't wall the muslims of new york in when planes crashed into buildings...though, given our history - had it happened enough we just may have). Had we done so, would we really be surprised when we felt some blowback?
Oh that's swell, apologizing for a terrorist attack!??!