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The Hayter-Braeloch Scale
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RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale
I never shifted the burden...I never even mentioned the word "certainty"...Paul did.

The "conclusively established" section of the description, like the "belief" or "disbelief" stance, is a personal conviction. Think of it this way:

1) Do you believe that gods exist?
- If Yes, goto 2.
- If No, goto 3.
- If Uncertain, you are an Apatheist.

2) Do you hold that the existence of gods can be conclusively established (by any means you know of)?
- If yes, you are a Gnostic Theist.
- If no, you are an Agnostic Theist.

3) Do you hold that the non-existence of gods can be conclusively established (by any means you know of)?
- If yes, you are a Gnostic Atheist.
- If no, you are an Agnostic Atheist.

Some people will argue that various theological arguments conclusively establish God exists (i.e. Cosmological, Argument from Design, etc). These people are Gnostic Theists. Others will reject these arguments and say they are not conclusive, but say that they still believe in a deity. These people are Agnostic Theists.

Same with the atheism side of the argument.

It doesn't matter if you are amazingly 99.9999% certain that Gods exist; if you don't think there are any arguments that conclusively establish the existence of Gods, you are agnostic.
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The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 8:15 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by mem - June 1, 2010 at 8:20 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 8:21 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by leo-rcc - June 1, 2010 at 8:39 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 9:24 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 1, 2010 at 4:37 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 1, 2010 at 6:33 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Paul the Human - June 1, 2010 at 6:39 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 1, 2010 at 6:41 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 1, 2010 at 7:00 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Paul the Human - June 1, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 1, 2010 at 1:06 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Autumnlicious - June 1, 2010 at 1:14 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by tavarish - June 1, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 1:22 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Paul the Human - June 1, 2010 at 1:52 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by downbeatplumb - June 1, 2010 at 2:58 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 1, 2010 at 2:23 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by bozo - June 1, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by darkwolf176 - June 1, 2010 at 2:42 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 2:54 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 1, 2010 at 3:16 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 3:27 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Welsh cake - June 1, 2010 at 3:53 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Welsh cake - June 1, 2010 at 4:53 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 1, 2010 at 6:12 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Paul the Human - June 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 1, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Paul the Human - June 1, 2010 at 6:49 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 1, 2010 at 6:53 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 1, 2010 at 7:04 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 1, 2010 at 7:20 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 2, 2010 at 2:35 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Scented Nectar - June 1, 2010 at 7:13 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Rev. Rye - June 1, 2010 at 7:32 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by padraic - June 1, 2010 at 8:25 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by fr0d0 - June 1, 2010 at 8:38 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Dotard - June 1, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Purple Rabbit - June 2, 2010 at 3:39 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 2, 2010 at 7:19 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 2, 2010 at 10:02 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Purple Rabbit - June 2, 2010 at 10:41 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by KichigaiNeko - June 2, 2010 at 6:02 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 2, 2010 at 6:10 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by KichigaiNeko - June 2, 2010 at 6:12 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 2, 2010 at 6:18 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by KichigaiNeko - June 2, 2010 at 6:22 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 2, 2010 at 6:29 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by KichigaiNeko - June 2, 2010 at 6:41 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 2, 2010 at 6:47 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Purple Rabbit - June 2, 2010 at 9:11 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by SleepingDemon - June 2, 2010 at 10:53 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by tavarish - June 2, 2010 at 11:33 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Edwardo Piet - June 12, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 2, 2010 at 11:51 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Welsh cake - June 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Dotard - June 3, 2010 at 10:13 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by leo-rcc - June 4, 2010 at 5:06 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 4, 2010 at 6:10 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by KichigaiNeko - June 4, 2010 at 8:55 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Dotard - June 5, 2010 at 1:46 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 4, 2010 at 10:20 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 4, 2010 at 1:03 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 5, 2010 at 7:40 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Caecilian - June 5, 2010 at 8:29 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by remza - June 4, 2010 at 10:51 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 4, 2010 at 11:02 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Violet - June 4, 2010 at 2:11 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by fr0d0 - June 4, 2010 at 12:22 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by tavarish - June 4, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by fr0d0 - June 4, 2010 at 12:43 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by ib.me.ub - June 4, 2010 at 3:34 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Purple Rabbit - June 5, 2010 at 8:09 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 5, 2010 at 8:45 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Purple Rabbit - June 5, 2010 at 9:09 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Tiberius - June 5, 2010 at 9:33 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Purple Rabbit - June 5, 2010 at 9:51 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Edwardo Piet - June 5, 2010 at 1:16 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by lrh9 - June 11, 2010 at 4:23 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by SavageNerdz - April 7, 2012 at 3:05 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by King_Charles - April 16, 2012 at 8:35 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Adjusted Sanity - April 16, 2012 at 6:52 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Neo-Scholastic - April 16, 2012 at 9:55 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Adjusted Sanity - April 16, 2012 at 10:43 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Anomalocaris - April 16, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Jackalope - April 17, 2012 at 1:24 am
RE: The Hayter-Braeloch Scale - by Reforged - April 17, 2012 at 1:48 am

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