The redneck strike again.

[Confused Ape]

It would be nice to progress without spend hours and hours in meditation or doing exercised or any other yoga practice just by psychology.
I call this effort spirituality and by this effort your mind becomes apexed, pinnacled so you can say that it is psychology as the psyche get apexed, pinnacled but again this is due to spiritual effort not by mental effort.

Yes, you've finally got what I've been on about. Just reading about it isn't enough, of course. One or other technique has to be used in order to develop the spiritual aspect. Transpersonal psychology is also dealing with the spiritual. Just reading about it isn't enough, of course. One or other technique has to be used in order to develop the spiritual aspect.

The difference between you and me is that you believe that the Ananda Marga concept of God is real. I regard it as not proved but, on the other hand, it hasn't been conclusively disproved, either. The way I see it, though, is that God being everything is a symbol so it doesn't matter whether God, as such, actually exists or not. What is true is that humans and other living things are parts of the universe, not separate from it. This is why I'm something of a Deep Ecology person.

Deep ecology's core principle is the belief that the living environment as a whole should be respected and regarded as having certain inalienable legal rights to live and flourish, independent of their utilitarian instrumental benefits for human use. It describes itself as "deep" because it regards itself as looking more deeply into the actual reality of humanity's relationship with the natural world arriving at philosophically more profound conclusions than that of the prevailing view of ecology as a branch of biology. The movement does not subscribe to anthropocentric environmentalism (which is concerned with conservation of the environment only for exploitation by and for human purposes) since Deep ecology is grounded in a quite different set of philosophical assumptions. Deep ecology takes a more holistic view of the world human beings live in and seeks to apply to life the understanding that the separate parts of the ecosystem (including humans) function as a whole.

There's more to it than philosophy.

Spiritual

Coming to an awareness of this reality involves a transformation of an outlook that presupposes humanity's superiority over the natural world. This self-realisation or "re-earthing"[11] is used for an individual to intuitively gain an ecocentric perspective. The notion is based on the idea that the more we expand the self to identify with "others" (people, animals, ecosystems), the more we realize ourselves. Transpersonal psychology has been used by Warwick Fox to support this idea.

Just reading about it isn't enough, of course. One has to actively seek that intuitive ecocentric perspective. The result is a subjective experience, though, and the only thing that I can be certain of is that my brain is involved in producing it.

In my previous posts i said few times that yoga include many things not just doing meditation.
Why you think i discussed for so long about whether man is omnivore or not if i wouldn't include vegetarianism in my life?
And then i talk about microvita and alternative medicine and other different topics?
I just don't understand what you are on about Ape.

The problem is that it's very difficult to know what you are on about when your posts tend to come across as mysterious utterances peppered with emoticons. I agree with you about the various theories of psychology being maps and one has to actually travel to get anywhere. All your mysterious utterances and gave the impression that you think people should travel their paths without paying attention to the maps and signposts because they are just mental things and, therefore, irrelevant.

You are presuming that i don't care about suffering just because i said that there is the karma law to take into account.
Why you keep on rushing in your judgments is just behind me.

You didn't clearly say that you care about suffering - I'm not telepathic so I can only go by what you put in your posts. It would have made a world of difference if you'd thought to explain what love and compassion for all creation and service is about and how you try to apply it in your own life.

Again you are presuming things.
If i see anyone down in the gutter the first thing that come in my mind is to help even if i know that that is due to his-her karma but you presume that i am not interested in helping just because that person did something wrong therefore shouldn't be helped.

You never thought to clearly explain that the first thing that comes to your mind is to help. Without that explanation you gave the impression that all you cared about was people's karma.

When i start talking to anyone the talk often go from topic to topic.
To stick to the same argument for long get boring so i let the argument take me wherever it like it to go.
If i never talk about what you mention is just due to the fact that the flow of the argument never end up there.

Some of the discussion has involved ecology so I'm surprised that you didn't mention that Ananda Marga has an ecology section. Other topics which have turned up relate to economics and consumerism etc. so you could have mentioned PROUT as suggesting an alternative to our current system.

As far as i can remember i always explain that the goal of life can not possibly be in this material-physical world but in the spiritual one.
And i also said that to think in this way is the correct way to think as spirituality offer the only solution to human problem.
Now you please explain what is wrong with attain spiritual progress?

There's nothing wrong with attaining spiritual progress whatever it really is. You might well have said that spirituality offers the only solution to human problems in passing but it got lost somewhere in all the and mysterious utterances. A few lines explaining how it's supposed to be the solution would have ensured that it didn't get overlooked.

Very well but please leave behind your emotions and your rush judgment.

I have to admit to getting exasperated by the way you word your posts. Trying to figure out what you're on about is very hard work and I don't always succeed.