(August 19, 2014 at 4:02 am)revivin Wrote:(August 19, 2014 at 4:00 am)Tobie Wrote: You cannot use the NT as evidence for things written in the NT. It is called circular reasoning and is a fallacy.
I don't think it is circular reasoning. You would have show that.
What the NT is is various individuals recording history. And they all agree the 12 Apostles believed they saw Jesus alive from the dead in various groups.
What better evidence could you ask for?
I ask for evidence independent of the claim. The Bible is the claim. The Bible was written by different people, but at different times, and there is evidence that a lot of the gospels derive from one document.
Several people agree that Ancient Greeks believed in Zeus. Does that make Zeus real? No. Just because people agree on a belief, the belief does not become real.
If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world. - J.R.R Tolkien
