(August 23, 2014 at 11:37 pm)orangebox21 Wrote: They wouldn't have to abandon their 'subordinate role' to leave an abusive situation, and they should leave it.
Except that under the sanctions the bible places on women, they generally can't: divorce is a no-no, after all. Typically a woman is more akin to property in their biblical role than people, though I can't wait for you to dismiss that observation out of hand as being not a correct interpretation, while you make no effort at all to demonstrate why yours is the right one.

Quote: You've also assumed that a subordinate role necessitates an abusive situation. It doesn't.
Necessitates? No. But it does leave the door wide open to abuse and give very little recourse should it start happening. Which is the problem. Something doesn't have to be the exclusive cause of a problem for it to exacerbate it.
Quote:And there are scriptures in place forbidding a husband to abuse his wife.
Do you think all abuse is physical?

The bible is remarkably silent on mental and cultural abuse, after all.
Quote:Who said anything about physiology? The explanation is about the creator and the created order.
And then attached that order to physiology. Don't play games here, we both know that gender as the bible describes it is a physiological condition. You can shop off the responsibility for that all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that under a biblical system if you possess a penis you're given a level of assumed power over women.
What you just said is a transparent dodge that doesn't address the issue I was raising at all.

Quote:(August 23, 2014 at 1:22 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Most women are at about 70% of what men make.That is wrong.
Just as an aside, do you understand how utterly insipid this "nuh uh!" answer is?
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