Obesity

[Drich]

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Would you say being gay is curable?

No, because you are born that way and it doesn't need to be cured.

Would you say to someone with a family history of suicides, to just buck up? If you just stop feeling sorry for yourself everything will be ok?

Depression is far more than just feeling down. Its all about the pleasure pathway in the brain and dopamine receptors, I would go into more detail but I don't want to butcher it and you probably wouldn't understand it either.

What makes people born into a family history of obesity any different?

Because obesity is learned, its a simple equation, if you eat more calories than you burn every day, you are going to get fat.

Don't you get the trigger for eating and the signal to stop eating all come from the same place that those who claim the were born gay, and those who are prone to depression and suicidal thoughts orginate their predispositions from?

No you don't, obesity is simply related to behaviour, homosexuality and depression come from differences in brain chemistry.

Are all of you so oblivious and blind that you can put these two things together on your own without a doctor

Trust you to think you know better than a doctor

oz or oprah telling you to think this way?

I don't believe i've ever watched her show.

I'm no oprah, but for me, if the same thinking organ who's signles and desires are so strong as to make one man lust after another man. despite supposedly a hundred trillion years of monkey loving evolution telling him otherwise.. But, can't help himself looking for another dude ... This is somehow ok..

Yes, why would it not be?

Or if this thinking organ tells us that yes we have everything, and yes we maybe an award winning actor, but life is not worth living even though you have captivated a whole nation full of people in film and on tv, that this too is beyond the control of the person who has these thoughts...

You are such a biggot. The ignorance here is astounding. You literally have no idea what you are talking about. You have no idea how the brain works, you have no idea about the chemicals and the reactions that take place. Once again you biggot. Why don't you actually investigate the subject and read the material before you go spouting off your prejudiced bullshit.

But, for the person like al roker and oprah who's brains are hard wired for high caloric I takes, who try and fail, and fail and fail to keep the weight off, are somehow less than socially acceptable?

I commend people who try to lose weight, but if they can't, then they aren't trying hard enough. Everyone can lose weight and keep it off. Its about how determined you are.

These two were accepted, but what of everyone else hard wired that way? Are you saying it is ok to have certain uncontrollable desires and not others? Where is this line drawn? Who draws it?

You have no idea what you are talking about again. 'hard wired' tell me, what do you actually think that means?

Oh and now your trying to spin that we find homosexuality acceptable so we should also find obesity acceptable? No.
Obesity is harmful. It is incredibly unhealthy. It costs billions to treat obesity related diseases.
Homosexuality on the other hand, does absolutely no harm to anyone at all ever.
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http://hmg.oxfordjournals.org/content/15.../R124.full
http://www.cdc.gov/features/obesity
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20101011/...-belly-fat

Looks like your just flat out ignorant, at least where obesity is concerned. I can provide a half a dozen more equally legitmate links that support my position, and craps on yours if you like, but I'm sure google would do the same for you, if you would have simply researched the topic before you misrepresented yourself and what the medical community think.

Know in your heart that you and those who think like you are beyond wrong here, and if you will not change you are a bigot on the level of the 'god hates fag Christians', and those who hate people because of mental disorder or some other physical ailment.

Which make you a well defined, and evidence based hypocrite.

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[quote='Drich' pid='738711' dateline='1409194320']Explain

Why? If you can't figure it out... Seriously Drich, it's not hard to see your straw-men. You make then sooooo obvious.
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If you can not defend you position nor provide clarity when ask your comment will simply be dismissed.

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[quote='Drich' pid='732796' dateline='1408419341']
What about cripples, retards, and people with an incurable diseases? Tell us mein fuhrur how they make you sick as well. Tell us what your final solution would be to cure the world of this plague... Oh and dont forget about das udens as well. Tell us how the world would be at peace if not for das udens.

Just curious, how many generations are you from wwii? Who's side did your grandfather fight on?

2. My mother's father was a cobbler for the Allies.

And how about you go fuck yourself on this one? Obesity is a habituated condition, your own choices led to your own problems. I, on the other hand, with Type 1 diabetes, means that someone fucked the wrong person, and their offspring fucked the wrong person, all down the chain to me. I don't get a say in "having" Diabetes. You can be damn sure that I'm going to try my hardest to keep from getting unlivably obese though. I didn't choose to be a strain on society, but the obese do. Same for the "cripples, retards and incurables", not many of them CHOSE their disability.
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See the above post you biggot.

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The use of the terms' cripples and retards' was an example of how hitler dehumanized and targeted the 'weak' parts of humanity and socially ear marked them for elimination from his ideal of a perfect soceity... This is in parallel with how diablo and yourself have used the word obese. You have taken the humanity out of fat people and sentenced them out casts. This was exactly what hitler did when the undesirables were labeled in his Germany.

No, that would be if he'd used terms like "bloater" "lard bucket" or "chunker". Obese is merely a medical term for a medical condition which is largely self inflicted, and which parents can inflict on children. . See the difference?

look it up, retarded was a medical term, so was cripple in the 1940s. Because these medical terms were quickly used to dehumanize the people it described the medical community adopted new terms.

The point I was making was that obesity is a word much like retarded. It started out simply describing a condition, and then it took on a new role. Diablo did use a medical term, but in such away as to dehumanize a segment of the population. That way it was acceptable to take away basic human rights and respect. The rest of you followed suit, when his actions were questioned.

There are many such. I'm not obese, but I do drink too much single malt and eat the wrong things, which will probably shave a decade off my life. My choice but I don't pretend that it's "diversity". Nobody claims that alcohol abuse is a normal variant. Nor does anyone claim that people who drink a bit much should be forces into detox. Nor does society tolerate parents who encourage alcohol abuse in children.

You know what the preferred term for obesity is in the NHS is at the moment? "Patients with complex needs". What a pile of shit. It's not complex at all. In the vast majority of cases they are obese because they eat all the pies and never exercise. If you can't see the difference between that and the national genocide your moral compass is just plain broken.

Maybe that's the problem . You guys are so bust looking at your moral compasses that you loose sight of just plain common sense.

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[quote='Pickup_shonuff' pid='738748' dateline='1409200050']
I've been on this forum for ten months and it has just occurred to me that drich seems to be rapidly losing his marbles the past few weeks. Seriously, at least before, when I disagreed with him, I thought his remarks were semi-thoughtful. But lately he just seems to be turning into a progressively bitter, hateful, nut job...unless I simply overestimated his wit from the beginning. I hope that guy gets some real help asap.

All I have done is take the vocabulary and emphasis out of a typical atheist Christian arguement and turn the roles around. What's more I have pair my position with facts and verfiable references, (proof) to support my claims, and I have been actively point out where your typical arguements fail.. In essence I have raised the bar. Rather than meet this raising of the bar, you want to lower it, by calling me names. Lowering the bar again so you can argue the same old arguements goes no where.

Look if what I say and do, forces you to think about think differently, and you are opposed to that, then know that no one is making you respond to me, or even read my posts.

I have had my fill of hypocrites. Those who say they stand for certain principles like gay rights, (because gays are genetically predispositioned to be attracted to the same sex via a singular unknown unverified gay gene) and here we have well over a dozen obesity genes mapped and cataloged genes, which regulate the conversion rate and the storage of fat and the (gay like attraction/uncontrollable desire)for certain foods. Is looked upon like a Westbrough baptist would look at a gay wedding.

Woe to you modern morality Pharisees and makers of your own laws, you Hypocrites!
You plot and plan way to speak against the religious for condemning those supposedly genetically bound to behave a certain way citing pseduo science and forecasting what will be discovered about the human genome, all the while you your selfs spew your own hate and disdain for those in whom you believe lack will power.

Wake up! This is the same arguement the Westbrough baptist that you speak against uses to condemn the gay!

Only difference is that we factually know of and have mapped obesity genes!!! This makes you worse than the Westbrough baptists! Read half the responses written to me, you people don't even know, that obesity can be a legitmate medical disorder.

If calling out hypocrisy makes me crazy then just put me on your ignore list, bury your head in the sand so you do not have to think about how broken your life philosophy really is and keep spewing your hypocritical hate.