refuting misconceptions:1-women in Islam

[AtheistPhil]

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I think she may refer to 2:223 and 4:34 where women must be obedient to Allah, and Allah tell men that they can fuck their women whenever and however they want, as long as they do some good deeds beforehands (or asks Allah to give them new children).

that verse was revealed because the arabs has certain thoughts about sex with their wives that was making their wives something like bad luck and that was revealed to show us to show more respect to women during sex. and the good deeds you are talking about is to care for her feelings and emotions as you do for yourself during sex(which till now some guys are ignoring that we were told to take care of this 1400 years before)

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2:223 (from Abdullah Yussuf Ali) "Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will; but do some good act for your souls beforehand; and fear Allah."

If your explanation was the original intent of this verse, why did they not write explicitly about feelings and emotions, or at least something like "be good to her during the act" ? The message is not clear at all, it seems like a general advice to do some good acts for both of them without specifying which acts. Moreover, it says "BEFOREHAND" (and all translations agree that it is something done BEFORE the act) so it can't be to care about her during the act.

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Therefore it ain't no misconception that Islam sometimes recommends stoning, and it applies to fucking in public.................................................this is fucked up. period.

the stoning rarely happen in any country that applies it as if anyone having sex he will take care not to be seen by 4 persons (i think that is hard to happen even if its ok to have sex in your country)

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Oh I can totally rely to your argument! Even myself I sometimes kill people for fun, but don't worry, I DO IT EXTREMELY RARELY and I make sure to let noone see me![/sarcasm] The rarity doesn't make it OK and is no excuse at all ! I cannot respect a text which demands to kill someone for having sex in public. If it's in the Qur'an (and I'd like to have the quote) then no matter how great the rest of the book might be (and it certainly is not!), it is still sick !
Same thing for the 80 lashes (24:2)

From what I read, Islam at the very least imposes very specific and strict "roles" to men and women, and I don't call that Freedom, at all.

you have the freedom to do the good thing or to do the bad thing

If there is a punishment directly afterward it's not freedom.

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So, the "covering one's body" thing IS COMPULSORY in the end !
But you said:

I don’t know why everyone is making a big deal of this if a woman wants to show her body its freedom and if a woman wants to cover u attack her?i never understood this but from the comments I found here in the forums I got that most of u think that they are forced to wear like that and that is so not true
“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.”(Quran 2:256)
no one(father,husband,brother or even mother) has the right to force a woman to wear hijab its her choice I live in a muslim country some is wearing hijab and some is not wearing

Please try to stay coherent Moataz.

lol you cant get the difference between compulsory and punishment by god when i say no compulsion in religion it means a human cant force a human to be muslim or cant force women to wear hijab but it doesnt mean that god will not punish her. by saying she should cover her body except her face and hands i mean that this is how she supposed to wear in order to be obediant to god

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So you're saying that you encounter women with no hijab frequently, you know God will punish them but you don't do anything like telling her she should wear it ? If you have any empathy you should do that everytime !

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Mo, it sounds like you are saying that it's ok for men to rape their wives because otherwise the wives are bad luck and you think that wiferape shows them respect? What the fuck? Also, now you say that the husband gets to be in charge of her emotions too during sex. He takes care of both his own and hers. I guess she is too weak and stupid and emotional to take charge of her own brain. Pathetic that you believe shit like this.

ok am afraid that my language is not that clear so before answering i just want to ask other members do anyone are getting that am saying what scented claims??????

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She misread your answer I guess.