RE: Cain and Abel: Explanation Please. Pretty Pretty Please!
September 4, 2014 at 4:10 pm
(This post was last modified: September 4, 2014 at 4:17 pm by Jenny A.)
(September 4, 2014 at 1:20 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: If you knew how the genealogy works, you would know that it traces the bloodline of the firstborn male, Abel is not in it because he died having no children, there is no reason Cain should not be included, unless he was not Adams son.
Also, about the part where Eve says (of Cain) "I have gotten a man from the Lord"
All life, good or bad, comes from God, so of course she "got a man form the Lord"
Anyways all you have to do is find where the bible acknowledges Cain as Adams son.
I already quoted it, it's in Genesis 4:1-2 "Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.” Later she gave birth to his brother Abel."
Later it uses essentially the same language for Seth: "Adam made love to his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, 'God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him.'” Genesis 4:25
Cain is Adam's son. The verses in 1 John are obviously metaphorical, not about actual parents:
"Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous." 1 John 3:9-12
The genealogies in Luke are irrelevant. So Joseph was supposedly descended from Seth, that doesn't make Cain and his line disappear or change Cain's father. All that is said is that the Hebrews descended from Seth and other peoples from Cain.
(September 4, 2014 at 3:14 pm)C4RM5 Wrote: The whole idea behind this biblical story is to fortell Jesus' death on the cross. Hence the fact that only a blood sacrafice will save you from your sins. This is why Abel found God's favour and not Cain. Also Cain was punished for his sin through separation from God and other humans " You will be a restless wanderer on the earth" Genisis 4 12. This is a christian point of view.
Can't see how Cain was separated from other humans. He married and went on to have a passel of decendants and found a city. See Genesis 4:17-23 And yes that's AFTER killing Abel.
And no I don't see how how the Biblical story of Cain and Abel foretells anything about Jesus. Though we do hear early on that God likes blood.
(September 4, 2014 at 3:27 pm)Huggy74 Wrote:(September 4, 2014 at 3:20 pm)Tobie Wrote: Despite not mentioning the messiah anywhere in the passage.
@Huggy; if Cain is not Adam's son, then neither is Seth, since the same language is used to describe the conception of both of them.
It's very simple, if Cain was Adams son, he would be included in Adam's genealogy. Seth IS recorded in the genealogy.
Nope, Cain is not included because Adam very rightly disowns him. But he is Adam's son. Genesis says so.
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.